tou2son
122 posts
Mar 10, 2009
11:57 AM
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If i was to breed 2 grizzles, what would i be expecting? Color wise and performance wise?
For example, I want to breed a darker color grizzle cock with a lighter color grizzle hen. Would anybody recondmend this or no? why and why not?
i've been hearing a lot of things and i'm just curious to understand.
tou2son
Last Edited by on Mar 10, 2009 11:57 AM
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kopetsa
74 posts
Mar 10, 2009
11:59 AM
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Depends on how they roll and perform? But most likely one of each..
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kopetsa
75 posts
Mar 10, 2009
11:59 AM
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probably look very similar to the parents..
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tou2son
123 posts
Mar 10, 2009
12:01 PM
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Thanks kopetsa,
but what i heard was that it'd be hot birds or it'll be roll downs. which is it? i don't get it, why someone would say grizzles will produce roll downs and some will say it'll be hot.
touson
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Scott
1838 posts
Mar 10, 2009
12:07 PM
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Breed them and find out , to get a hint of what to expect you have to weigh what the parents could or could not handle,as for the color, who cares.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Mar 10, 2009 12:08 PM
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tou2son
124 posts
Mar 10, 2009
12:17 PM
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well you see scott i agree with you. i dont give about the colors jux as long as they can roll and kit tight. but what i'm really asking for is "am i going to get roll downs from breeding two grizzles?" i heard if it's two soft grizzles you'll get more white/soft birds. but if i was to breed a darker grizzle with a lighter how do i determine who's soft and who's not?
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Scott
1839 posts
Mar 10, 2009
12:22 PM
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No I would not worry about it unless they are weak mentaly, 99 0/0 of my stock birds are blu/dark Checks,are they stiffs ? not as long as I pay attention to what I'm pairing.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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SappAttack
81 posts
Mar 10, 2009
1:44 PM
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BREED EM!! Its the only way to find out. Color does not have anything to do with performance...
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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tou2son
126 posts
Mar 10, 2009
3:06 PM
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alright will do. thanks
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fresnobirdman
536 posts
Mar 10, 2009
3:37 PM
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if your luck you get whites.
performance are all on the birds parents.
-fou
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harrison
379 posts
Mar 10, 2009
4:21 PM
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Hi.
2 years ago I obtaind a blue grizzle hen and cock.
I bread two sons out of them and they was crazy.
They would SPIN.SPIN.SPIN no kitting skills whatsoever.
I tried them last year and bread 6 young out of them.
3 killd there selfs 2 I GAVE TO A FRIEND(HE TELLS ME THEY BUMP) and one I put in the bin.
I have the hen flying out and she his a breath to watch.
As for the cock I let him out 2 weeks ago and soon as he got up he spun all the way back down.
I dont no maybe it was the dads genes that the young turnd out like that? but I wont breeg grizz to grizz no more now you said about they are meant to breed roll downs. Verry odd.
yours in roll harrison uk hull
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530flyer
146 posts
Mar 10, 2009
7:03 PM
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wow i did not know that grizzles and grizzles gets u roll downs...
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530flyer
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Bill C
276 posts
Mar 10, 2009
7:44 PM
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Like everyone has said, you will have to breed them and see what you get. I have some grizzles and they are very frequent and the most unstable birds I own. I have had these going back to when I started 7 years ago. I have pulled out a few to breed over the years and I keep them for a reason. They tend not to sky out and help in a mixed kit to come down when flying too high.
If the parrents bumped or was dangerous or unstable then you would not want to put two together. In that case you could put one with a dark check or red check and would be better off. But if they were both doing fine in the air and tested then you could pair them together and may not have any problems at all.
Grizzles are to me like re-red birds. They can have a lot of roll but can work against you if paired together. You just have to try them out and see. Just because they are grizzle dont mean the will roll down. But if they came from a family of bumpers and birds with heat ( heat means unstable and is a fault) then they could throw many rolldowns instead of just one or two out of 6 or 8.
With any family of birds you have to pick the stable, good rollers and it takes several years to get it going. I would say 4 or 5 years. I have seen a slow impovement in the grizzles I have and I mostly put them on black and checks. But I have put a few on each other and had some good birds come out from them.
You should breed them the way you want and then switch them with the opposite and see what happens with the young. Bill C
Last Edited by on Mar 10, 2009 7:46 PM
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Scott
1841 posts
Mar 10, 2009
7:51 PM
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I would try that cock on another hen Harrison
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2667 posts
Mar 10, 2009
7:56 PM
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very good point Bill,,take heed on that Tou good information...."With any family of birds you have to pick the stable, good rollers and it takes several years to get it going. I would say 4 or 5 years. I have seen a slow impovement in the grizzles I have and I mostly put them on black and checks. But I have put a few on each other and had some good birds come out from them. ".
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Ralph.
miss opportunity are the curse of potential well if opportunity is not knocking you build the door...
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harrison
400 posts
Mar 11, 2009
4:39 AM
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I have the hen on a red mottle so lets see what goes on there.
The cock I gave to a friend and that is on a self white so if it goes well I will steal him back.
They are lovely to look at but like many I want ROLL
thanks for your advice yours inroll harrison uk.
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harrison
401 posts
Mar 11, 2009
4:43 AM
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The bird on the right his now paird to the blue grizzle hen above.
What color would you guys class this cock as?
cheers harrison
Last Edited by on Mar 11, 2009 4:47 AM
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tou2son
127 posts
Mar 11, 2009
8:41 AM
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Hey thank you all for the info. I was curious to know what most of you who are more experienced in this hobby would suggest for me. I'm just starting and i wouldn't want to waste time breedin (more chance of roll downs.)
tou2son
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tou2son
129 posts
Mar 11, 2009
8:52 AM
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I hope this works. but this is a pic of the hen.
http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v929/209/119/802475531/s802475531_4926515_7242.jpg
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tou2son
132 posts
Mar 11, 2009
9:04 AM
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This is the hen that i was talkin about breedin.
tou2son
Last Edited by on Mar 11, 2009 9:05 AM
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tou2son
135 posts
Mar 11, 2009
9:17 AM
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This is the black grizzle cock i was thinkin about breeding into that hen.
Last Edited by on Mar 11, 2009 9:18 AM
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Pumpkin Man
60 posts
Mar 11, 2009
9:37 AM
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I have some grizzle and pepperhead birds and you will get a variety of colors out of them. The color doesn't necessarily guarantee how it will perform though. I have produced solid whites from mine that were too hot and some that were just flippers. Red check grizzle crossed to black pepperhead will produce a wide variety of colors from black, white, lavender, red check, and blue, in grizzle and non grizzle but most will be somewhat grizzles or pepperhead. If the cock carries blue you will get a lot of blacks or black pepperheads. If the cock carries dilute, you will get some additional colors. I prefer mating grizzle to non-grizzle unless you like a lot of white birds. A mix of colors in the kit will make it easuer to tell which birds are the good performers.
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tou2son
136 posts
Mar 11, 2009
9:44 AM
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Thanks Pumpkin Man,
I will try out these two and see what happens. I don't want a lot of white. too much attention in my opinion. but we'll see what we can get out of these two.
touson
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l.h.559
42 posts
Mar 11, 2009
10:29 AM
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nice looking bird touson
L.H.559 aka Long Her
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Spin City USA
191 posts
Mar 11, 2009
5:36 PM
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2son it is really good that you are asking questions. Every body has stated their opinions based on what has happened to them. Everybody breeds a lot more culls than they do great performers. Breed them 2 or 3 rounds and you will know what those two grizzles can give you. I have seen lots of good stable grizzles that came out of grizzle parents. Experience is your best teacher, and keep good notes.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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fontanabound
88 posts
Mar 11, 2009
6:37 PM
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color never determins what the birds will do. ive cull grizzles that didnt roll or were just flippers.
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