nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3308 posts
Mar 14, 2009
10:30 AM
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There is a mind set that if you pair a 10 footer with a thirty footer you will get 20 footers. I have found what you actually get is some 10 footers and some 30 footers.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Mar 14, 2009 10:31 AM
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
335 posts
Mar 14, 2009
11:02 AM
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Nick,
My experience is the same as yours. I put this misbelief in the same category with color balancing. Mythology!
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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Scott
1863 posts
Mar 14, 2009
2:25 PM
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I like breeding stable 30 ft to 30 ft , I won't breed 10 fters.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3312 posts
Mar 14, 2009
7:18 PM
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Scott - I just used those depts to demonstrate the point. A ten footer don't hit very many breeder's loft.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3313 posts
Mar 14, 2009
7:25 PM
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Joe,
I am often glad you are in the same region I am in. If you are flying in the WC and NBRC I should be at your place in one or both events. If you ain't flying it would be nice if you could come and watch Jim Bowen fly and Norm Boettcher also lives nearby Jim. They have some very good birds.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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donnie james
336 posts
Mar 14, 2009
8:17 PM
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how true nick.................donny james
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gotspin7
2320 posts
Mar 14, 2009
8:31 PM
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Nick, you must of ate your wheaties in the morning bro! You are hitting on all cylinders...lol.. Another good post! I will also agree. (Even do I have not bred a 10 footer as of yet)..lol
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Sal Ortiz
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
343 posts
Mar 15, 2009
6:31 AM
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Nick,
I plan to fly in both events and if possible, I plan to go watch Jim and Norm's birds as well. Look forward to seeing you then!!
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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harrison
461 posts
Mar 15, 2009
12:50 PM
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I have been told that you are wasting your time if you try balancing the roll out?
I have been doing best to best so far and I am getting some good birds this way.
But I get the odd 1 roll down.
His that due to the birds been to deep in the first place or is that just somthing to excpect once in a while?
I have one pair and they are 50footers with eas nice and tight and good controle.
I only got them back end of breeding last year and got a single raise ot of them.
This bird rolled 100foot plus and didnt even stop untill it smashed its self.
I have this pair on eggs now.
What would be the chance of this happerning again?
thanks harrison uk
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
347 posts
Mar 15, 2009
4:13 PM
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For those who worship at the altar of St. Richard, here is an excerpt from one of his articles.
"Second, let me say, I do not breed spin to spin. For if this was all there was to breeding good spinners, then everyone would have a loft of fine performers. Such is not the case. It is my personal judgment that the breeder who knows how to spot the correct type in these birds and breeds for same, will have more than his share of exceptional performers! Consequently, one’s cull to good bird ratio will be reduced."
Personally, I have never subscribed to the "if the type is right, the roll is right" theory. But some still do.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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Scott
1877 posts
Mar 15, 2009
4:19 PM
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Joe, I have found that if you follow the roll with birds strong in charactor that it is hard to go wrong, my best make my best no two ways about it, but there is also more too it than that also that evolves around balancing the physical and mental aspects of the birds.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
349 posts
Mar 15, 2009
4:30 PM
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Scott,
We agree. But some big name breeders in the past propagated this type is right, the roll is right theory and there are still some out there that believe it. Stable, strong character spinners to the same is the way to increase your percentages, not breeding for type. Just threw this out there for the benefit of some of the youngsters who have not heard this theory before.
Regards,
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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Scott
1878 posts
Mar 15, 2009
4:52 PM
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Of coarse there are Joe, it goes back to the pedigree and show breeders , it is an ecuse to not proove the birds out in the air.
From what I see most like what their "mind" tells them should be right, hence the the short coby birds, I learned to learn from the birds and not what my mind says it "should" look like, which lead me back to birds with some cast on them.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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birdman
707 posts
Mar 15, 2009
6:21 PM
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Depth is secondary to speed and style. If the 10 footer had incredible speed and style I would breed it.
Russ
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
351 posts
Mar 15, 2009
6:29 PM
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I agree Russ. I value style, tight H frame, and velocity over depth but if you can get 20-40' with the style and velocity its a great bonus.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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gotspin7
2325 posts
Mar 16, 2009
2:46 AM
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Russ, good post bro.
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Sal Ortiz
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harrison
471 posts
Mar 16, 2009
3:44 AM
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Thank you for your good comments guys.
yours in roll harrison uk
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iowarollers
164 posts
Mar 16, 2009
4:48 PM
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i can't even get my birds pair upor mate lols i guess i'm going to have to get some good music for them to get them in the mood lols kevin
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harrison
479 posts
Mar 17, 2009
8:24 AM
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IOWA.
Splitt your pairs up for atleast 2 weeks but leave the cocks in the breeding pen.
Then bring the hens back in.
As I learnt from on here Feed your birds morning and night.
Giving a hand full of HEMP before each feed.
I had the same problem and did what I have wrote above.
I put my hens back in under 2 weeks ago and every single pair have 2 eggs each.
I have never had my birds all lay on the same days.
Uptill now.
so all my young will come out together and all be the same age when training them.
BRILLIANT STUFF.
I have 15 pairs going (this year is going to be a big one for me.
Good look and hope you get sorted.
yours in roll harrison uk
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Newbie 08
138 posts
Mar 18, 2009
3:22 PM
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I agree with Russ as will take speed over depth just my preference.
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Last Edited by on Mar 18, 2009 3:24 PM
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Square
677 posts
Mar 18, 2009
3:45 PM
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I still havent been able to pin down what will happen if i breed a 10footer with a 30footer. Maby yone day that will come every pair that I try to predict fools me everytime, I have been workin on my family of rollers for years now. people say dont breed check to check but I do and the birds are great. also people say dont breed of a stiff roller but I do. Most of the birds that I say are gonna be good rollers from my experience with a cirtain pair, do infact become good rollers and the cock only rolled 5ft.I think its all trial and error to some degree,,I mean it has to be with all the diffrent families/strains, and most of us admit that you cant handle all families the same as far as feeding, right? so maby that holds true for breeding also.. Just my thoughts. From my experience if , Every person and strain of roller is diffrent its about finding out what works for you...
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
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Velo99
2069 posts
Mar 18, 2009
5:18 PM
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I let the birds pick this year. Cant do any worse than I have lately. I seperate during the off season. Most of the "old" pairs repaired. Be interesting to see what difference it makes after some pairs not breeding together for a few years.
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