rollernewbie
463 posts
Mar 15, 2009
2:28 PM
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Hey Guys,
For those who have or had turner's birds...how do you guys manage them..?
I was told that they work and perform better when they are fed up...but I'm scared of losses or lagers on the rooftops..
any other info will be helpful..
Thanks.
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Billy AKA RollerNewbie
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gentle johnnie
8 posts
Mar 15, 2009
2:46 PM
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Hi billy you need to contact cliff ball he has turner birds he's in n. Carolina i'm getting a kit from in a few weeks to get me started again in rollers His email is: cballdds@yahoo.com i'm sure he will be glad to help. gentle johnnie angel's of the sky loft
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
1792 posts
Mar 15, 2009
5:30 PM
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Billy,
You'll find that they do pretty well on straight wheat, two cups per twenty birds in general, but they will need some austrain peas as well. I give the young birds a mix on the weekends and I use Guil Rands yo-yo method with old birds (less than a full ration of wheat on two rest days and a full ration of mix on fly days-the third day). I do not recommend you use much milo as it will turn them into yard darts. They have plenty of quality spin and speed in them as a rule, depending on how close they are to the foundation birds. Like Pensoms and any other family, many culls and unflown birds are being sold under the name only. Hopefully you picked your birds out of the air or got them from somebody you trust.
I rarely have problems with tree-sitters or house- sitters...maybe 1-2% and maybe another 2-3 % as non-kitters. If you breed them too hot you will get birds that bounce during landing, especially in their first year. Most good ones will learn better as they mature. They tend to be single depth rollers, though. If you find variable-depth birds they will be valuable to your breeding program, as with any family. You will rarely have problems with them flying too high and loosing them to overflys unless the ceiling is at 200-250 ft. Basically, they are among the most problem-free family of several families that I have handled. Good luck and let me know if I can be of any further help.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Mar 15, 2009 5:40 PM
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rollernewbie
464 posts
Mar 15, 2009
8:38 PM
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Thanks Johnnie and Cliff..
well Cliff I'm sure i got a good pair..even they are not picked out of the sky, but they are proven though..
so im guessing milo makes them more active to roll when flying? just wondering..
so i got a good chance of not getting house sitters then..:d Jk
again Thanks
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Billy AKA RollerNewbie
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
1793 posts
Mar 16, 2009
10:26 AM
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Billy,
I wouldn't say that milo makes them more active....it seems more to rob them of the strength they need to roll hard and fast with good quality and able to maintain control...it may make them a little more frequent, but you will sacrifice speed and quality in my experience. My family of Turners, in particular, doesn't need to be broken down in any way in order to roll. In fact, they will need a little more protein than some other families so that they can roll with quality and speed and maintain good control.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Mar 16, 2009 10:32 AM
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
444 posts
Mar 16, 2009
11:08 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Cliff, I have two Turner cocks here that came out of Doug Engermans loft. I put one with a Hardesty hen and the other with a Grover bird..I have not flown these birds, but one cock got out for a couple days..The old bugger started rolling immediately 5-10 feet, no roll down..He trapped with my kit birds and I put him back in the breeding loft..
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Pararoller
52 posts
Mar 16, 2009
12:04 PM
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rollernewbie,i have turners for 3 years now and still make alot of mistakes i would feed my turners young from 1-5 months the 14% and so on til they come into the roll then i would do 50/50 and fly them everyother days like i said i might not not do every thing right but its a process u learn and pay attention to these guys in here helps alot and make sure who u get ur birds from cause some just out to make MONEY u just have to trust them and let the youngs prove if they could roll Please don't b so harsh on me if i said something wrong thank u but most guys are ligit and cares about their reputation.
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Ty Coleman
584 posts
Mar 16, 2009
2:49 PM
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Billy, send me a e-mail and I put you on something that will help.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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rollernewbie
465 posts
Mar 16, 2009
4:46 PM
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Oh..thanks Cliff..
so what feed will give them more protein? also do turner birds got good velocity? <--- may sound newbie
just curious who did you get your birds?
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Billy AKA RollerNewbie
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rollernewbie
466 posts
Mar 16, 2009
4:46 PM
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Pararoller that is also some great info man..i'll try out your method as well as cliff's..thanks
but yeah im sure no one is perfect in the roller hobby..
well as for the pair i got..im not worried..because i got them from a well known guy..
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Billy AKA RollerNewbie
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rollernewbie
467 posts
Mar 16, 2009
4:46 PM
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Hey Ty,
here my email..
Flaminrollers@hotmail.com
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Billy AKA RollerNewbie
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l.h.559
44 posts
Mar 17, 2009
5:46 PM
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hey roller newbie what sup man holla back at me at lher559@hotmail.com
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rollernewbie
471 posts
Mar 17, 2009
6:37 PM
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I'll holla you up foe sho L.H
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Billy AKA RollerNewbie
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rollernewbie
472 posts
Mar 20, 2009
1:35 PM
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for turner fliers..
what frames are they usually when rolling?
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Billy AKA RollerNewbie
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rollernewbie
473 posts
Mar 20, 2009
1:55 PM
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rolling styles i meant...i like calling them frames..
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Billy AKA RollerNewbie
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Ty Coleman
590 posts
Mar 20, 2009
6:14 PM
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Billy, I think alot depends on the breeder you got your birds from as far as there wing style.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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rollernewbie
474 posts
Mar 20, 2009
7:33 PM
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oh..thanks Ty...
well i got my pair from David Strait..
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Billy AKA RollerNewbie
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fhtfire
1884 posts
Mar 20, 2009
10:14 PM
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Put a Trampoline in front of the kit box...or a swimming pool.....if you want to make a game out of it...put a bulls eye on the ground in front of the kit box and see how many birds can hit the middle...LOL..kidding....I had them at one time and they are high strung hot little boogers....you have to fly them alot and keep them fed up...but that was me...
Cliff could tell you more..he flys them
rock and ROLL
Paul
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rollernewbie
475 posts
Mar 21, 2009
1:10 AM
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LOL Paul..that sounds like a fun game..i should try it out..haha..Jk..
yeah cliff and the other helped me out also..
another question i got...if you fly them more would they start rolling earlier?
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Billy AKA RollerNewbie
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Ty Coleman
591 posts
Mar 21, 2009
6:50 AM
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Try to fly the young birds twice a day until they start rolling. Once they start rolling start flying them every other day.Rest them for 2 to 3 day's once every 2 months with a good grit and and mix of feed, I use my breeder mix.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
Last Edited by on Mar 21, 2009 6:56 AM
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Ty Coleman
592 posts
Mar 21, 2009
6:54 AM
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Paul, were you feeding them barley ? I think alot has to do with the handler of the bird's and the dedication to them. I have stood under kit's with Mr. James before and I never did see one of his birds bump and they were blowing smoke. The further along I get in my breeding program the less birds I have that are bumping. Learning how to feed and fly the family makes the difference and of course I was not given Junk birds to start out with either. Which makes the biggest difference.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
Last Edited by on Mar 21, 2009 7:06 AM
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rollernewbie
476 posts
Mar 21, 2009
8:45 AM
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oh..ok...ty i'll do that..
Ty do you feed them the same way as Cliff?
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Billy AKA RollerNewbie
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Ty Coleman
593 posts
Mar 21, 2009
1:18 PM
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Almost the same, I use a little more austrian peas than he does.I'm not sure how the Strait birds will work on this method but the Turners work well on it
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
Last Edited by on Mar 21, 2009 1:21 PM
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rollernewbie
477 posts
Mar 21, 2009
2:25 PM
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Thanks Ty..i see how the strait's do with it..lets hope its the same..
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Billy AKA RollerNewbie
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Pararoller
64 posts
Mar 21, 2009
3:07 PM
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i have all mine from David Strait and my kit rolls dep and fast but when it comes to feeding i just go wit 50/50 and once awhile will give my kit birds 14% just to give my kit birds what they need i notice they will perform well it feeding is correct and rest still learning and hope to acquire more knowledge from u veterans
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rollernewbie
478 posts
Mar 21, 2009
5:46 PM
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so pararoller...you feed them 50/50 of what? peas too?
yeah i am also trying to learn from all these rollermans..
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Billy AKA RollerNewbie
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