mario
GOLD MEMBER
350 posts
Mar 22, 2009
12:26 PM
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Hi guys
i just start to fly my birds from last year ,and i feed them a full soup spoon each every day of pigeon mix ,and they fly like 3 min and they come back and jump in the kit-box very hungry ,last year with the same amount of feed they where flying for half hour .....help please ...
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Oldfart
919 posts
Mar 22, 2009
12:30 PM
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Mario, My take would be fat and lazy. Cut their feed for a week and then fly them and adjust from there.
It will take a little while for them to get back in shape. Just think if you had been sitting around all winter then went out and tried to run a couple of miles the first time out!
Thom
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3343 posts
Mar 22, 2009
12:31 PM
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They are not in shape, yet. Feed them up a little and fly them until they get in better shape; then cut down the amount you feed slowly until they are flying the time you desire. In a couple of weeks flying they should be getting close.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Mar 22, 2009 12:34 PM
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maxspin
358 posts
Mar 22, 2009
12:34 PM
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Mario,
After they have trapped in successfully a couple of times after lock down, I like to crate them up and make them fly from a block or so away. This forces them to elevate to find the loft. They tend to stay up for a while then.
Keith
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Scott
1915 posts
Mar 22, 2009
12:36 PM
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Feed them more and throw that frigging spoon over the fence buddy !!!!!! Some of the worse adise I have ever seen evolves around some magical spoon there is no set amount, time of year, temps,age , ect. all play in.
And another is this 50/50 Wheat Milo thing , that is only a tool to be used for very short periods of time, and never on youngsters, these are living breathing athletes that need to have the nourishment of such.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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jnyce
621 posts
Mar 22, 2009
12:37 PM
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fat and lazy whip them back into shape
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jerry t
Last Edited by on Mar 22, 2009 12:37 PM
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
461 posts
Mar 22, 2009
12:43 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
I have been feeding my birds 50% wheat, 25% milo and 25% canadian peas. I let them eat all they want in about a half hour. I do have a problem with them flying to high sometimes, so I am doing a little experimenting right now. This feed thing has always been one of the toughest things to figure out in my opinion..
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2738 posts
Mar 22, 2009
1:10 PM
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I would feed them more as the others suggested to do because there is no harm if they are trapping anyway ,give them what they want until you see they don't want to fly ..and not trapping .feeling lazy and not in shape .then you would see that if they not gaining weight they need to be worm. fly them for short periods keep an eye on their beak when they come down is it open breathing hard.look for all these little signs they telling you something and when you fly then after a long rest period rest them for a day they should be sore. trying doing ten push up if you out of shape and see if the next day you feel sore or run a half a mile .then you can relate to your birds ..good luck...
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Ralph.
miss opportunity are the curse of potential well if opportunity is not knocking you build the door...
Last Edited by on Mar 22, 2009 3:10 PM
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mario
GOLD MEMBER
353 posts
Mar 22, 2009
1:26 PM
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thanks guys i appreciate ....
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Newbie 08
152 posts
Mar 22, 2009
2:21 PM
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Scott and Ralph both your advice is always like gold to me thanks!
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~~~~~~Butch
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Spin City USA
196 posts
Mar 22, 2009
5:24 PM
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These birds become creatures of habit. They are not really that hungry, if you feed them as soon as they come down or as soon as they trap in that is what they will want to do. I have encountered the same thing. If mine were to do that I would make them stay on the cage for a minute or two and flag them up again. I would make them stay out for at least a half hour. I know this would be hard if you have coopers. I have also done what Keith does and box them up and take them up to a mile away and make them fly home. If you see any walking home you have a more serious problem.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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Spin City USA
197 posts
Mar 22, 2009
5:24 PM
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These birds become creatures of habit. They are not really that hungry, if you feed them as soon as they come down or as soon as they trap in that is what they will want to do. I have encountered the same thing. If mine were to do that I would make them stay on the cage for a minute or two and flag them up again. I would make them stay out for at least a half hour. I know this would be hard if you have coopers. I have also done what Keith does and box them up and take them up to a mile away and make them fly home. If you see any walking home you have a more serious problem.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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RodSD
204 posts
Mar 22, 2009
7:41 PM
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This is strange. I thought that a soupspoon is bigger than 1 tablespoon so if that is the case, and if the recommended amount for rollers is 1 tablespoon, then maybe they have gotten fat and can't fly anymore.
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bigwilly
901 posts
Mar 22, 2009
7:47 PM
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I agree with Scott. I made the mistake of feeding young birds straight wheat, and 50/50 and I just ruined them. I know keep my young birds on mix for at least 1 year.
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BIG WILLY
TOPP FLIGHT/NCRC
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gotspin7
2338 posts
Mar 22, 2009
8:02 PM
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Feed them more and throw that frigging spoon over the fence buddy !!!!!! Some of the worse adise I have ever seen evolves around some magical spoon there is no set amount, time of year, temps,age , ect. all play in.
And another is this 50/50 Wheat Milo thing , that is only a tool to be used for very short periods of time, and never on youngsters, these are living breathing athletes that need to have the nourishment of such.
Scott, I agree! 100%
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Sal Ortiz
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mario
GOLD MEMBER
354 posts
Mar 23, 2009
9:27 PM
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thanks a lot boys .....this morning they where a little bit better and they where spinning more .....
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kcfirl
571 posts
Mar 24, 2009
6:16 AM
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I was talking with Joe Emberton last weekend and he insisted that he feeds his young birds straight wheat with some austrian peas every once in a while.
Ken
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Scott
1930 posts
Mar 24, 2009
6:33 AM
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Ken, you could with Wheat, but I wouldn't do it myself as it serves no purpose,besides Wheat goes all over the board as far as quality goes,plus there is little fat in it and it is low in protein unless it is high quality in which the protein rises.
Even with my old birds the roll will deterorate when on straight Wheat for a tad too long , but it is a staple for my old birds but not 24/7,in fact last two days I have been pounding a 16 0/0 mix to them, I might also add that I "don't" want a high quality of Wheat for my old birds,if the quality is too good I will cut it with Milo (for short periods) other wise my old birds will fly too strong.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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J_Star
1930 posts
Mar 24, 2009
7:26 AM
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From my experience with my birds, Wheat will strip the fat from the birds if used for an extended period of time. They will become light and fit which will cause them to fly high and fly fast. If you use Wheat or/and Milo mix, you need to replenish the fat on them birds from time to time. You need to feel them every once in while. Remember that an athlete person needs to have the right portion of muscle and fat to be strong.
Jay
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Scott
1931 posts
Mar 24, 2009
7:50 AM
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Good post Jay, with my birds though wheat "slows" the wing beat, the roll gets sharper as they start commiting more to the roll, depth also increases.
But like any good thing it doesn't last and the quality starts deterorating,then I pound them with a solid mix.
One of the most critical things that you mentioned was "handling" the birds,this pretty much tells you where the bird is as far as conditioning , man it's critical.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Mar 24, 2009 7:51 AM
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fhtfire
1889 posts
Mar 24, 2009
8:43 AM
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I too agree with Scott....Throw the spoon away....You have to feed the birds based on how they fly, feel, temperature, time of year...time of day..etc.....You have to do it by a feel...just like Scott said...during the Winter my birds get mix no mater what....because it is cold....during the spring and summer months.....they get my pellet mix that I mix up along with 50/50 wheat milo....they only get straight wheat when preparing for a comp......and the amount of wheat is based on fly time only......same with what days I feed my mix to the kit birds...its based on how they feel in the hand...and how they are flying....
As far as the feed amounts...my rule of thumb is a full ration of mix being 2 cups for 20 birds...during the summer....winter it is 2.5 cups...as the birds rest..I cut the feed by a 1/2 cup...anyway..
My young birds get Mix until they come into the roll and I mean rolling.....not flipping....when they roll they get bumped up out of the young bird team....and get a rest day in between flys....thy always get mix on fly day and wheat milo on rest day.....as they get older...they get less mix and more wheat milo.
Like Scott said..it is all a tool and you dont want to use a drill when you need a hammer....
rock and ROLL
Paul
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winwardrollers
202 posts
Mar 24, 2009
10:07 AM
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Is that a.. table spoon, serving spoon or just a plain old teaspon.... that you are throwing over the fence. lol
Good question Mario we all deal with what spoon to use and when.
You have received some good advise thus far..they can reveal to you what they feed and when but the judgement call they make on a day to day decision is a art..... and time and experiance can only be your friend in discovering the art of the feed can.
bwinward
Last Edited by on Mar 24, 2009 11:12 AM
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harrison
546 posts
Mar 24, 2009
10:44 AM
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Last year I was getting birds having little bumps when coming into land.
Now I hear you guys on here say thats an instant cull?
I told my friend were my stock birds come from and he said.
Harrison your birds no that its food time as soon as they come in so they are getting excited with thereselfs and bumping.
I stopt feeding straight away when they come in and bingo no more bumps.
Just thought I would share that with you guys.
Yours in roll harrison uk.
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530flyer
161 posts
Mar 24, 2009
4:08 PM
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great feedbacks guys...it really makes things easier for us newbie to the hobby with the hassle of getting a kit together...
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530flyer
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