speedball
326 posts
Mar 24, 2009
4:15 PM
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here is one for some of you clever ladies. say you have won the world cup with outstanding rollers. you had 13 breaks consistant of 18 birds. 2weeks later all your birds are stolen or dead. a year ago you gave 2pair out your finest to local because they didnt turn out (roll). could you re-animate or recreate your strain from those 2 pair of rollers?
Last Edited by on Mar 24, 2009 4:16 PM
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donnie james
346 posts
Mar 24, 2009
8:14 PM
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no, i think not i think i would go out and buy new stock birds and start over and i will pick the birds from the air and with a few years i should be back on my feet.................donny james
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3757
1213 posts
Mar 24, 2009
8:35 PM
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First, if you are a good fancier you must have giving the birds based on some statistical data you have on your birds. If your birds have the motor to produce the spin it does not matter if they performed or not. Everyone has stocked a bird in their career that was not flown and that bird in many cases can turn out to be an awesome producer. There is no difference in that bird and the ones you gave away. If the above is the case and you know your birds it is the best way to start back again.
Now, if you do not know anything about the birds you have and gave those away because they did not perform and you do not know anything about the birds in your backyard I would search elsewhere. It would not matter if you won the world cup or not if you do not really know the family of birds you are flying. What I mean by that is the producing ability. You may have won by a kit someone gave you etc. We would need all the variables to eliminate any ambiguity.
Last Edited by on Mar 24, 2009 8:36 PM
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Spin City USA
198 posts
Mar 24, 2009
8:40 PM
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That could be a real cool experiment to try. If you had 4 pigeons out of the originals it might be possible to mix and match. These birds are packed full of roll,but they are able to resist the urge to perform. It may take a long time to do it, but may be worth your time. I know a lot of people would say it is easier to start over with new stock but you wont know that much about them, at least with the old stock you will know what to look for. If a person has "a want to" they can do anything they set out to do.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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Scott
1934 posts
Mar 24, 2009
10:16 PM
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If you couldn't find a few good one's you may want to rethink your breeding of such birds.
Here is an experment, I'll breed my best and someone else breed only stiffs and non performers , get back to me on how that works out for you.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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speedball
329 posts
Mar 25, 2009
2:56 AM
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i would most certainly breed of those 2 pair and i would most certainly re-animate my strain. just as you put your best together and get percentage good and bad, the same dna is in those 2 pair so you will get good and bad from those that didnt roll "off" your own strain. it is absolutly inevitable. unless a mans brain is unable to calculate the law of averages? "keep thinking". speedball!
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Shadow
361 posts
Mar 25, 2009
5:17 AM
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Pretty good thought provoking question Speedball,and yes I am in agreement with your answer,once the D.N.A.is correct,regardless of rolling or stiff,the offspring from either ia only a matter of percentages,with in most cases,rollers being bred in the larger percentage from the rolling side,and a lesser percentage from the non rolling side,no reason why it cant be done,in time.
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J_Star
1933 posts
Mar 25, 2009
5:30 AM
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You guys must be all ladies for answering his question since he directed the question to the ladies, unless he meant lads (lol).
(here is one for some of you clever ladies.)
Jay
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2777 posts
Mar 25, 2009
6:59 AM
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Good post Laron and Spin City USA.
J.star now that you clear that up let me answer lol..I would definitely go out and get my 2 pairs out of my finest and start all over again .I hear of folks breeding so much of their own family just to get a few good ones .I might as well do that with my own family and look for those hidden genes that are in these pairs..good post... ----------
Ralph.
miss opportunity are the curse of potential well if opportunity is not knocking you build the door...
Last Edited by on Mar 26, 2009 8:17 AM
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kj loft
77 posts
Mar 25, 2009
8:17 AM
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Absolutly spot on jay on post 329 .it is the strain we breed for .birds that have the power to transmit the distinguishing features of the strain .if i was to pick to rollers 1 was vary good but out of a not so good strain and 1 was a non roller out of a vary good stain i would go 10 times 10 for the non roller ..johno.uk.
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Roll Down
56 posts
Mar 25, 2009
8:24 AM
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Speedball:
Let this be a lesson to ALL of us who only want to keep the current line of birds we are using and would be devastated by a total loss by theft, fire, etc.
Spread a few of YOUR BEST ROLLERS around to a select few or maybe try starting up a newbie or two WITH YOUR BEST, with an understanding that should you be in your current situation, the birds would be returned to you to get you going again.
I know it is hard to part with your very best, but it can be mighty good insurance!
I believe that if my birds aren't good enough for me, they aren't good enough for anyone else.
If someone wants them for feeders etc., tell them to get some homers.
You would certainly not be the first one to be in this ( I hope hypothetical ) situation nor will you be the last.
Like I said, "let this be a lesson to ALL of us!"
George Dring
Last Edited by on Mar 25, 2009 8:33 AM
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Windjammer Loft
759 posts
Mar 25, 2009
9:39 AM
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I wouldn't waste my time answering this post.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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Roll Down
57 posts
Mar 25, 2009
7:19 PM
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Windlammer Loft:
I thought it was a good post, although I had a hard time typeing "like a lady." LOL
Like I say: A good lesson to be learned here by everyone??
Geo.
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speedball
333 posts
Mar 31, 2009
1:24 PM
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in yorkshire a ladie is a young man but im not from yorkshire ha ha ha ha ha ha! this question also sorts the men from the boy's in terms of experience and knowledge! "forgive me lord for i have hurt some feelings" speedball!
Last Edited by on Mar 31, 2009 1:30 PM
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speedball
334 posts
Mar 31, 2009
1:27 PM
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i am asking the top folks this question. all masters would go for those 2 pairs without doubt. so would i. i wouldnt open another pandoras box to fix the faults. "no sir"!
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Windjammer Loft
764 posts
Apr 01, 2009
11:47 AM
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speedball...here in the godd U.S. of A. the word ladies, refurs to a female and not a young boy. Sorry for the miss understanding of your terms...
Please accept my appology.
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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speedball
336 posts
Apr 01, 2009
2:43 PM
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no offence taken paul.
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pigeon pete
260 posts
Apr 01, 2009
5:37 PM
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Hi,
Everyone has stocked a non-flown bird in their career? How does that guy know everyone? lol
I must either be a no-one or not have a career :)
I've always flown everything I've bred from.
A lady or ladies are femail.
A lad or laddies plural, are male (Laddie is a Scottish term).
The Famous collie Lassie was actualy a Laddie, but you couldn't tell for all the long hair,lol
I guess I would have a go at starting over with the stiffs, it would certainly be worth a try rather than starting over with a new family.
Pete.
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speedball
340 posts
Apr 02, 2009
12:49 PM
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thanks pete you finally gave in!
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
482 posts
Apr 02, 2009
12:53 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Pete we call them cross dressers over here..
pigeon pete wrote:
The Famous collie Lassie was actualy a Laddie, but you couldn't tell for all the long hair,lol
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speedball
342 posts
Apr 02, 2009
2:06 PM
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i was just being sarcastic when i said ladies. some of you guy's need to loosen up a little!
"in this game one has to have a loose chin if it is to waggle". speedball!
Last Edited by on Apr 02, 2009 2:06 PM
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