Brett01
23 posts
Mar 26, 2009
3:24 AM
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what age do u start to cull your birds
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pat66
308 posts
Mar 26, 2009
8:53 AM
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2-3 years
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Pat
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Ldogxxx
23 posts
Mar 26, 2009
7:09 PM
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Your question is too general. I will assume you mean flying and not stock birds. My answer: From 1 week to 3 years.
My protocol for culling:
1. Is bird healthy?
2. Can bird fly?
3. Can bird kit?
4. Can bird fly the required time with kit?
5. When bird starts rolling can bird handle/control it? (ie rolldown, bumper, afraid of roll)
If any of the above are answered "no" then bird will be culled. Late developers (after 8 months of fly time) I will fly until I need the room, it gets lost, or the BOP gets them. I very rarely keep late developers longer than 3 fly seasons. The first one that I kept long finally came in the roll at 3 fly seasons and was eaten by a hawk the same day!
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Brett01
24 posts
Mar 26, 2009
10:28 PM
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all birds are 1st & 2nd rounds birds 1st round birds were fly 15 to 20 min max kit good started rolling. 2nd round birds were 30 to 60 min kit good didnt start 2 roll been locked down last 4 weeks back out flying starting 2 roll now.the problem is the 1st rounds flying is very poor & starting 2 pull the better birds down with them [SITING IN TREE]got 3 round coming out now i dont wont the new young siting in trees with them should i cull them or try something new with the 1st round birds
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fransrollers
2 posts
Mar 27, 2009
12:19 AM
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brett01, you should not breed rollers while they are moulting, you guys in australia i think its fall seoson ther now wen the breeders need plenty rest
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Ldogxxx
24 posts
Mar 27, 2009
12:32 AM
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There isnt enough information given that would lead me to give you a good answer to your issue. But I will give it a shot. It appears that you are flying outcrosses and/or families with different nutritional needs. You state that you are flying your 1st and 2nd rounds together after training them seperately? By what I read, you have two kits who have or have developed different flying habits. Also by them landing in the tree they dont seem like they were hungry when released. If your desire is to have only one kit consisting of 1st and 2nd rounders then use your 2nd round kit that flys and kits better to train your 1st rounders. Don't fly the kits for two days. First no fly day dont feed, 2nd no fly day feed half ration. Fly the 1st rounders and note which birds are landing first. Remove those from that kit (these will be the last birds to be retrained). Fly the 2nd rounders every day until they kit real tight, fly the desired time and trap immediately. At that point they shouldnt be affected by adding a bird. Add one of the birds from the 1st round kit to 2nd round kit. Watch it for a couple of days. It may not have the stamina to keep up at first but should improve each day. Cull it if it refuse to fly with the kit or improve. This is time consuming so "have patience!" Dont add any more to the kit until this bird is kitting well or eliminated. Add birds one at a time, each time making sure they kit well before adding another. Do not train or fly the 3rd rounders with this kit. Fly them seperately and cull them accordingly. Once all kits have the SAME flying habits you then can then fly them together. ----------
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Brett01
25 posts
Mar 27, 2009
4:26 AM
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fransrollers the 3 rounds is coming out this weekend & the breeder r being split as well.
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Brett01
26 posts
Mar 27, 2009
4:36 AM
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thank bayani ill try it over the next couple of weeks, all birds are breed out of the same parent.
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PR_rollers
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2791 posts
Mar 27, 2009
9:40 AM
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Bayani good post ....bay I met Dan Gallarza here in PR he told me I think it was you that told him I was living here if its you thanks .it turn out a pleasure meeting Dan..great guy....
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Ralph.
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toughrollers
78 posts
Mar 27, 2009
11:47 AM
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bretto1, they sound like they are a mix bloodline.i had the same problem 10 years ago, when a person sold me birds and said they are montys,but they were not montys,ther are lots of people you put your trust in them and they screw you over.if that is to make a buck. if you like what you have stick with them and see what happens or start up again with pure montys lines,
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Pararoller
85 posts
Mar 27, 2009
11:57 AM
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Brett01,just b sure u know the line and the breeder well enough when getting birds like toughrollers said i was in the same boat 2 years back some people just out to make quick money but there's alot good people out there too know ur sources and don't have ur hopes high if not from great line made that mistakes b4 and i started all over to see results
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harrison
562 posts
Mar 27, 2009
12:24 PM
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To Brett 01.
What I do his train my first round twice a day and keep doing this untill they are coming on the roll realy good.
Last year my young was flying realy good and I didnt have any problems with them.
Kitting,landing early,birds dropping from the kit.ect..
When my second round of young end up in the flying kit I will do the same as i did with kit 1.
Twice a day untill coming into to roll with ease.
When the second round have been able to fly for atleast 45 mins that is when I will introduce them to kit number 1.
I will keep them all in the same kit and they will all get the same ammount of food.
Now round one and round two will be released twice a day untill I think they are working good and kitting correct.
It takes them a couple of days to get the jist of things but once they are kitting together then there is no problems after that.
(I HOPE).LOL.
I feed them (half tin of wheat/barley, after there first fly that will be about 10am.
There second fly will be about 4pm and I will give them a tin full of food.
Taking away or adding food if nessercery.
When I am happy they are spinning and maybe over working there selfs I will fly them once dailey only.
Around 3/4pm time.
This his how I have been training my young birds for the last couple of years and touch wood I have done well upto now.
Good look with your birds and I hope you get your problem sorted.
If you dont get it sorted fast time you will end up with major issues.
yours in roll harrison uk hull.
PS> Get a verry long pole and get a few black bin liners and shred them into long strips.
Tie them onto the pole and when you rlease your birds scare them up with the pole.
When they land in the tree do the same and if they land again get them in.
Same again next day and so on.
Like I said scare them out the tree and when they land again get them in bcause if you keep scareing them they will just land somewere down the street.
Always keep your bird hungry bcause by the sounds of it you dont.
as if you did they would be sat on the shed and not in the tree.
Always get your birds in as soon as they land bcause if you leave tham sat around they pick up bad habbits.
Always remember that YOU are the boss and the only way you can sure youre birds who is boss is by controling them with FOOD.
Maybe you are new to the game and not traind any young kits?
The guy I got my birds from is a verry good flyer and I only get to see him on weekends as he as a long job.
But when I am there all I do is Talk rollers and try to learn from him as much as possible.
That is a must in this game.Having someone to teach you what they no.
No matter how much you think you no its never anougth.
Join a club and talk to as many people as possible.
They wont be rude to you.
Us roller men are crazy about them and I dont have a problem in talking to my friend for hours on end.
I NEVER GET BORED. AS YOU CAN TELL.LOL.
GOOD LOOK.
Sorry about my spelling.
Last Edited by on Mar 27, 2009 12:29 PM
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nicksiders
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3347 posts
Mar 27, 2009
12:37 PM
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Healthy and normally formed birds I don't cull until thier second season of flying.
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2792 posts
Mar 27, 2009
12:40 PM
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Brett and once you have that team working together in kitting and flying the time... now the fun part begins start picking out the ones that are starting to show you the roll put those in one team and all the non roller in a separate team . don't fly the straight roller with the ones what are working for you.because the straight rollers will keep the workers from rolling and flying longer.they have more energy than the working ones..fly the teams that's showing game every other day. feeding good mix so they developed their growing muscles right after 5 or 6 month you can play with changing the feed or what have you... good luck .....
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Ralph.
miss opportunity are the curse of potential well if opportunity is not knocking you build the door...
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Ty Coleman
601 posts
Mar 28, 2009
6:38 AM
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My first cull is at 11-12 months for kit birds.
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Ty
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c robbo
478 posts
Mar 28, 2009
12:46 PM
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i like to give mine 2 years but if thay start messing about thay are gone.
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