belper mark
218 posts
Mar 26, 2009
10:26 AM
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last year i bred 4 young of a pair of mason pigeons 3 of them roll between 22ft and 28ft very tight and fast but one doesnt roll they are about 8 to 9 months old should i keep him or get rid and do you think he will roll thanks
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2783 posts
Mar 26, 2009
10:41 AM
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I keep my birds till a year and longer that's me though .as long as it is kitting and has good temperament I just keep him with the other team..sometime they come out to be a good stable roller..now some folks don't wait that long if it ain't rolling in 7 they get rid of it..
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Ralph.
miss opportunity are the curse of potential well if opportunity is not knocking you build the door...
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belper mark
220 posts
Mar 26, 2009
12:31 PM
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thanks for comment pr roller just wondered if anyone else ever had it happen to one of there birds got no faults just dont roll yet
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yang501424
242 posts
Mar 26, 2009
2:15 PM
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Keep them for a year or so. I have birds that come in early and some that rolls 7 1/2 feet at the age of 10month.
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Good Game Loft
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Bill C
298 posts
Mar 26, 2009
9:09 PM
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Nearly all these birds will roll if you fly them long enough. They might tumble or roll down or turn out to be a great roller. I keep all my birds for several years since hawks take so many I want the ones that out smart and out fly the hawks even if they are late developers.
The thing is all these birds will throw early birds and lates. Even the guys who say they only want early developing birds will always have some late birds they cull.
Here is the other thing, Most guys today have to lock down birds for winter due to BOP. So if you are lucky and are training squeakers now they will get to fly from March to Novemeber, that is only 8 months. Now if you raise more birds in April that is 7 months and May=6 months, June=5 months and July=4 months. Now guys look at the later hatched birds as culls because they do not roll the first year. Many just do not have this figured out. Many of these birds will be locked down in November through Feb and they will come in the roll if kept long enough.
I personally have the best birds each year from hold over birds that did not develop in the first year flying them. Just be honest with yourself, A 9 month old bird would have been hatched out or flying in June of last year. So that means you flew all the winter months? If not the bird is a 9 month old bird but may have many fewer months flying time that it needs to develop and handle the roll. See my point?
I say on here all the time that non performers are not culls if you have not flown them for two years straight which means about 36 months to get 2 years flying in them. Anyway hope you keepem flying all summer and by the fall it should start showing if it is a cull by not kitting, out bird, tumble,roll down or a good stable roller that you might be gald you held on to it. Bill C
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994 posts
Mar 26, 2009
9:14 PM
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belper mark
send him to me to arizona.....loll
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2789 posts
Mar 26, 2009
9:30 PM
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lol@ Jose.....
.Bill I have 2 birds left from 1999 and now they are rolling I kept them cause they outsmarted the BOP,use for fosters at times and and for teaching youngster to trap on time very good temperament.excellent kitbirds so they stay to serve a purpose ......
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Ralph.
miss opportunity are the curse of potential well if opportunity is not knocking you build the door...
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Bill C
300 posts
Mar 26, 2009
9:50 PM
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Ralph that is amazing. I never thought they would go that long! They almost always roll for me ( late developers or non rollers) by the third year or so. But I did have a small bald head hen that after 5 years she only would flip and I never seen her roll once. That was one in 400+ kit birds. But like you I kept her to fly with my young kit birds. I have a problem when they are 3 or 4 months flying and they get real active at that age and they are all doing something, rolling, tumbling.diving ect and I have lost young bird kits due to nobody was at the wheel and they flew in circles so active they got lost. So I used that bald hen to help keep them close to home or at least find home when they were young kits.
I later gave it to a friend for a foster bird when he needed a few foster hens. Bill C
Last Edited by on Mar 26, 2009 9:53 PM
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belper mark
222 posts
Mar 27, 2009
1:57 AM
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thanks for comments i will hold on to him and see how he comes on
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belper mark
223 posts
Mar 27, 2009
2:24 AM
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belper mark
224 posts
Mar 27, 2009
2:24 AM
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here he is what do you think
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Shadow
364 posts
Mar 27, 2009
7:03 AM
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If you have room and space to hold onto him,its a probability that it might yet roll,rather than a possibility,would also be useful,when youngsters are beginning to fly again this question is best answered by what you wish to do
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belper mark
231 posts
Mar 27, 2009
12:52 PM
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thanks shadow will wait and see how he comes on
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mrartg
77 posts
Mar 29, 2009
10:07 PM
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Thanks for the advise Bill I needed to hear that. Some times we dont give enough fly time since i lock my birds down from november thru february. I guess we have to be a little more patient.
Art Gaona
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donnie james
359 posts
Mar 30, 2009
4:21 PM
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i would keep them ......................donny james
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