lil_jess
140 posts
Mar 26, 2009
9:38 PM
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This evening I went to check on my Breeders to makes sure if there are enough water/feed for tomorrow. I noticed a hen can't barely stand up and really really light.
This happened to one of my cock a few days ago. Same thing. He's vomiting. And going Light. What is this sickness. From down below are the thing I did, and sucessfully cured him.
I had him in the quarantine cage. I added grits, apple cedar vinegar to water for first day. then on second day I added soluble antibiotics to the water and inject 5cc of tylan antibiotics. And on third day, He looks fresh as New. .
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Scott
1942 posts
Mar 27, 2009
12:48 AM
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Hold back the grit, and treat all,obviously somthing is going through the loft and you don't want it to get out of control, act now.
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Scott
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quickspin
1008 posts
Mar 27, 2009
7:08 AM
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Clean the entire loft good water bowl as well with bleach to kill everything.
Don't give them grit when you medicate birds it's like not giving them any medication at all. I remove grit 1 week before I start to medicate and 1 week after the medication just to be safe. But you can't wait a week just do it now.
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Bill from NJ
78 posts
Mar 27, 2009
9:38 AM
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lil jess,
Try to look at some other possibilities such as:
Worms or
Young bird sickness
With out actually seeing problems it is a little difficult to diagnose.
Worm infestation
Hairworms and roundworms are widespread in pigeon flocks, whereas tapeworms are less common. These worm types live as parasites in the small intestine of pigeons.
Pathogen:
The hairworm, Capillaria obsignata - a very slender, hair-like parasite - infests various poultry species in addition to pigeons. Hairworm eggs become infective in the environment after 8-9 days.
The pigeon roundworm, Ascaridia columbae, only occurs in pigeons. The eggs become infective in the environment after 2-3 weeks.
Two types of tapeworm, Hymenolepis columbae and Raillietina columbae, infest pigeons. Their emergence is dependent on suitable intermediate hosts (snails, beetles, ants), which they require in order to develop. Pigeons only become infected if they ingest an intermediate host.
The interval between ingestion of infective worm eggs, sexual maturation of the new generation of worms and the first excretion of eggs in the faeces (prepatent period) is 5-6 weeks for roundworms, 3-4 weeks for hairworms and approx. 2 weeks for tapeworms. All types of worms may also appear at the same time.
Symptoms of the disease:
Affected pigeons produce droppings of varying consistency 10-12 days after ingesting infective eggs or an intermediate host. Appetite is initially increased, but diminishes as infestation progresses. The birds lose weight. Heavily infested pigeons usually show impaired general condition and are listless and apathetic with dull, ruffled plumage.
Recognition of the disease:
Hairworm and roundworm infestation is identified by microscopic examination of faecal samples (prepared according to the flotation method). When the intestine is cut open during the cadaver examination, the yellowish-white roundworms are clearly visible, whereas the fine, white hairworms require a smear preparation, which is floated in a flat dish with a dark base.
In many cases, the intestinal mucosa also reveals inflammatory lesions and focal haemorrhages caused by the burrowing of parasites. Tapeworm infestation is demonstrated by the identification of tapeworm segments or eggs in the faeces.
Similar conditions:
Salmonellosis, Coccidiosis, E.coli infection.
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bigwilly
909 posts
Mar 27, 2009
10:21 AM
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You are breeding in individual boxes and your birds are not getting adequate sun light. I went through this problem a while ago and a fello fancier knew what was wrong with it as soon as I describe the situation. If you are breeding in individual boxes as I know that you are, feed pellets. TRUST ME
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Pararoller
83 posts
Mar 27, 2009
10:53 AM
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i was wounding would these breeder still b good to produces and would this affect the babies in the long run or do i have to get rid of the breeders?
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harrison
561 posts
Mar 27, 2009
11:05 AM
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When you clean your loft use a cleaning agent calld JEYES FLUID.
It says on the tin suitible for pigeon loft.
And it also says Kills bird flue.
It is proberly a virus we call light.
Your birds go light and will not eat.
This isnt somthing that affects all your birds unless you act fast.
About 5 years ago I had some great birds and even though I didnt need to I bought some new birds in.
A couple of days after having them I noticed that one was scrunchd up in a corner.
I culld this bird as I didnt want it to spread.
I didnt no much about medications at the time so didnt treat them straight away.
Over the next few days I had lost 25 birds.
I did eventualy get some stuff for them and 8 birds lived (ALL COCKS).
If ever I see any singes of enything that dont look right I will react straight away with the proper medication. And cull if nesercery.
Good look with your birds and remember ACT STRAIGHT AWAY AND DONT HESITATE TO CULL.
yours in roll harrison uk hull.
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lil_jess
142 posts
Mar 27, 2009
3:50 PM
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yes they are in indi. cages, the cock were put back with his mate and young and they are doing fine. I med. all of them birds. hopefully a week from now I hope it will give me good results.
As for the Hen, she can't walk no more and are going light. I will worm her in a bit. hope it will be worm.
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toronto15
129 posts
Mar 27, 2009
4:01 PM
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Check your loft for rodent droppings, keep all feed in sealed containers.Glen.
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Bill from NJ
79 posts
Mar 27, 2009
4:41 PM
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Good advice Big willy!
Feeding pellets has vitamins and minerals the birds need, many forget this simple advice.
Pigeons do not live by just seed alone.
Again good call.
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bigwilly
910 posts
Mar 27, 2009
10:34 PM
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I am not getting smart with anyone but people need to stop being so quick to medicate all the darn time. Half the time you are medicating for something thats not even wrong with the bird. For example this post. Many people said to medicate, clean, and this or that. The bird IS NOT sick. It is weak. Birds in individual cages dont get the sun they need so you need to improvise. If you are breding in individual cages and you are giving them a mix and not having grit available, most of the time they will go weak on you. I have learned that when I breed in individual cages and feed pellets(Purina) my birds do much better
TRUST ME
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Last Edited by on Mar 27, 2009 10:35 PM
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toronto15
130 posts
Mar 28, 2009
4:11 AM
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In any big city,your never more than six feet away from a rat. Keep your feed clean and secure.Glen.
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Ty Coleman
604 posts
Mar 28, 2009
6:57 AM
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When you are giving the birds calcium and they don't have access to sunlight make sure to use Vitamins AD&E so that they can break down and digest the calcium. If at all possible get them in some sun light. Pellets should have all the vitamins needed in them.
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Lipper
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469 posts
Mar 28, 2009
11:02 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
This sounds like what I just had in my loft. I lost two rounds of youngsters and about half of my breeders. I do not know if it started as Paratyphoid or if that showed up later. It started with the old birds first and moved to the squabs. In the beginning there was no twisting of necks or anything like that. I used some stuff from Tony for two weeks and then got some Amoxicilin from my doctor and used that at 500mg/gal. a day for a week. I am also taking the advice from some here and using apple cider vinegar. My birds are better now and back to raising babies.
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c robbo
476 posts
Mar 28, 2009
12:34 PM
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qikspin good post.
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lil_jess
143 posts
Mar 28, 2009
2:49 PM
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Thanks to all that post your info. I'm very grateful for all. I found that Big Willy is correct on this one. They need grits. Without grits, my birds become weak. Back in track. GL to all.
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KiddenAround
294 posts
Mar 30, 2009
2:11 PM
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Man, this place is full of great info.
I thought I was getting educated, but now I have a question. Maybe a silly one . . .
Do you guys feed grits? As in the corn grits, hominy? Or is the grit you're referring to the digestive aid (pebbles, etc.)?
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Professional Thrill Seeker
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Lipper
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475 posts
Mar 30, 2009
2:19 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
LOL Laura it is the pebble type grits...
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