KiddenAround
285 posts
Mar 27, 2009
4:22 PM
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Have any of you had the government stop by and want to test your birds?
I was just leaving the other day when I saw a white truck make a u-turn and drive into my driveway. They wanted to know if they could test my chickens (send samples off to Texas A&M) and when they found out I had pigeons, they started telling me that I could not move birds off my premises without a license.
I guess I should have told them to hit the road, but my first instinct is to be nice and cooperative with people, so I allowed them to test a few birds. They put on full white suits to do all this.
The guy had an attitude, almost a suspicious, accusatory attitude and by the time he left, I wished I hadn't let him do the testing. I have nothing to hide, but I wonder if any of you have had any experiences like this?
I really don't like Big Brother breathing down my neck.
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iowarollers
193 posts
Mar 27, 2009
4:34 PM
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I would of asked for some identification or not to come on my property or call local law inforcement thats my way kevin
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Spin City USA
199 posts
Mar 27, 2009
4:56 PM
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My wife says she heard on the radio about the govmnt wanting to put mirco-chips in all domistic animals, and want you to have a license to have your own food garden. 1984 is just around the corner if we all dont wake up. Many will say I am paranoid but it happened in Germany and it can happen here, dont kid yourself.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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iowarollers
194 posts
Mar 27, 2009
5:12 PM
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Man that is a trip oh well not sayin much here might be being watched or being read kevin
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LittleJohn
46 posts
Mar 27, 2009
5:21 PM
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wouldn't have happened here...you still haven't mentioned what they were "testing for"
this is not Russia, for now....it is still a FREE country.
You have the right to protect and defend what belongs to you....
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Electric-man
2277 posts
Mar 27, 2009
5:34 PM
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Most likely testing for PMV! I was at a bird show a couple of years ago and they tested every bird in the show, pigeons and chickens!
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Val
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Scott
1948 posts
Mar 27, 2009
6:45 PM
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Jay, there is some strange stuff happening right now that aint funny, the country that we know is being stolen out from underneth us by the enemies within ,and the sheep don't even know it.
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Scott
(Better Dead Than living under the tyranny of Liberals)
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sundance
1084 posts
Mar 27, 2009
6:47 PM
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Dont kid yourself guys and gals. They are trying to make it happen here.
I also raise a few goats and chickens, and a couple years ago, one of our goats got down sick while I was away from home. My Wife called the vet, who came out and took care of it, but logged us into the state and I had to get a property ID # to keep my animals.
I got my #, but have never heard anymore from them ...yet.
This was suppose to be enacted in all states eventually. They say it is for tracking disease, but who knows. They just want to know what everyone has and what we do with them.???
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Butch @
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KiddenAround
287 posts
Mar 27, 2009
6:48 PM
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I'm usually a very friendly person, but this guy just had a power-trip kind of attitude. I had a load of horses about to head for Kentucky, and he asked me if I had all my health papers on them. He's a bird man, sticking his nose in horse business. I never go anywhere without the proper health papers on the horses and if his manner had been courteous or helpful, I wouldn't have bristled, but something about this guy . . .
Unfortunately, I had someone staying behind taking care of a few things for me while I was gone, and they allowed him to put on his white suit and help himself.
I am definitely AGAINST the NAIS program. That's way too much interference. Can you imagine having to document every single bird on your property and then pay the vet for health papers on every bird every single time you may want to leave your property?
The horses, too -- i wouldn't even be able to haul down to the local vet or park or neighbor's pasture without paying for a health certificate each time.
I was just wondering if anyone had an experience with the state stopping by their house like that.
He was actually lucky that my dog didn't get him. he doesn't like anyone getting out of their vehicle, unless I am standing there with him.
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PR_rollers
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2794 posts
Mar 27, 2009
7:13 PM
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Jay, mine told me the same thing she read it in the computer ,and how in a couple of month or later they going to close all the health food stores here and out there .something strange is happening and we got to open our eyes ..Laura did you get there license plate# in case they injected something bad in the chickens..just a thought.. Scott you got that right buddy ...
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Ralph.
miss opportunity are the curse of potential well if opportunity is not knocking you build the door...
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nicksiders
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3349 posts
Mar 27, 2009
7:21 PM
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Scott - your perverted sense of fear is crawling out of ya (LOL).
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Just My Take On Things
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sundance
1085 posts
Mar 27, 2009
7:31 PM
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Litle John, We have yet to see what "they" have in store for us. But you can bet your favorite house slippers, your cat and your last dollar on it. Oh wait, they already are getting our last dollar, and our kids last dollar, and their kids, and their kids....
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Butch @
Sundance Roller Lofts
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katyroller
363 posts
Mar 27, 2009
8:39 PM
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Laura, I wouldn't let anyone else on the property to "test" birds until you have checked their credentials and understand exactly what the heck they are testing for! I have never heard of anyone needing a license to transport pigeons in Tx.. This sounds fishy. Have someone keep a close eye on the birds for the next couple days. If you know anyone else in the area with pigeons, see if they also got a visit from these guys.
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Spin City USA
201 posts
Mar 28, 2009
1:40 AM
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Nick, I wouldnt laugh about Scotts perverted sense of fear, I feel the same way,we should all be wary of govmnt actions. There are a lot of strange things happening. They want a population that they can control, and they will bribe some with a stimulus package that you will be taxed on??? Others will get govmnt jobs in a system that does not produce anything but print and spend money. Remember If they are powerful enough to give you everything they are powerful enough to take it away. Beware of wolves in sheeps clothing.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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LittleJohn
47 posts
Mar 28, 2009
4:10 AM
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Scary is the right word....no doubt.
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toronto15
131 posts
Mar 28, 2009
4:29 AM
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Pay your dues to your local and national pigeon club. Glen.
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nicksiders
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3354 posts
Mar 28, 2009
5:57 AM
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Scare is a tactic used by those who are appossed to a ruling body and it is always perverted or it would not be scarey.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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Ty Coleman
600 posts
Mar 28, 2009
6:25 AM
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We have a local Chicken sale in Swainsboro Ga and they test every chicken that come through it for disease. They put on there lab coats and take blood samples. Laura, I think you just had a state employe that was board and or nosy ! Unless they find a disease in your flock they can not quarantine your animals and then they would have to give you a written notice.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3195 posts
Mar 28, 2009
6:25 AM
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Hey Nick, people are generally motivated either by fear or incentive. So, when the government can back their regulations made by the ruling body by taking your money or property or life or all 3 at the end of a gun barrel, because you disagree with their rulings, you don't think "fear" of big brother is warranted? How about healthy concern for gradual reduction in freedoms by some federal bureaucracy that is violating the constitution against unwarranted searches and possibly seizures?
The "statist" mentally concerns me.
PS: To keep this thread pigeon related, there was a good article in the NBRC bulletin about how to handle law enforcement who come to your property to check on your animals(property).
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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DeepSpinLofts
1292 posts
Mar 28, 2009
7:20 AM
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Hi Laura...
I never had the government stop at my place and ask to test my birds.
Oh by the way.... how many birds do you have?
There's an ordinance in my county regarding the number of birds that can be kept and housed in a non-agricultual district.
Marcus -- Orinthologist
Deep Spin Lofts
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BA Rollers
214 posts
Mar 28, 2009
9:25 AM
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Right on Steve!
It turns my stomach at how many people are ignorant about what is happening to them and this country and actually think it is right!!!! Read the stimulus bill full of all those earmarks Nobama said he would never support, they are mostly going to city, state and government agencies, many of which were law enforcement or corrections.
When it comes to people coming to your house, you don't have to allow them access to anything without them having a warrant that specifically says where they can look and what they can look for. Obviously you shouldn't have let them on the property. This is one of those times when it is smart to be a dick instead of a nice person and tell the guys to get to steppin', they have no business here.
Tony is correct that there recently was a good article about how to deal with government/law enforcement that come to your door.
Rememeber this folks, if they are at your door step, they are not there to be your friend. They are betting on your kindness to let them do what they might want to. Unless you can read it in a document signed by a judge, get there names and information then tell them you have nothing to say and they must leave the premises. Be a dick, they are planning on being a dick to you.
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PR_rollers
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2796 posts
Mar 28, 2009
9:35 AM
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Right one BA .right to the point..
those same guys that put on a white suit could be murderers and you let them in..be very careful..
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Ralph.
miss opportunity are the curse of potential well if opportunity is not knocking you build the door...
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
465 posts
Mar 28, 2009
9:58 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Here is a bill they are trying to pass that will concern you...
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Monsanto-s-dream-bill-HR-by-Linn-Cohen-Cole-090309-337.html
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
466 posts
Mar 28, 2009
10:31 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Here is a bill that has passed the house and the senate..This will concern you if you cannot find some one to care for your rollers while you are gone..This is also a good site for non partisan news..
http://www.prisonplanet.com/senate-rubber-stamps-national-enslavement-bill.html
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Spin City USA
202 posts
Mar 28, 2009
1:43 PM
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Say Tony, could you put that article from the NBRC in the archives or post it for those who dont have access to it?
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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ROLLERMAN
232 posts
Mar 28, 2009
2:28 PM
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thats ok guys when i get my stimulus check im going to buy all the 308s i can get my hands on.. got the picture.
al
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
364 posts
Mar 28, 2009
6:25 PM
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Nick,
Did they deliver the Kool-Aid or did you have to go pick it up?LOL
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3357 posts
Mar 29, 2009
8:42 AM
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Joe,
I love Kool-Aid and cheese macaroni(LOL)
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Just My Take On Things
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
219 posts
Mar 29, 2009
8:52 AM
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Laura- Could they have been(PETA)? They would not be able to show you any ID. JDA
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sundance
1086 posts
Mar 29, 2009
4:18 PM
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there are several other roller guys in texas. Has anyone heard from any of them getting this same type of visit? This is kinda strange that only Laura, so far, had seen these , people, whoever they are.
And why her? where did they get her info, address etc...?
Things that make ya go hmmmm...
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Butch @
Sundance Roller Lofts
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Pararoller
87 posts
Mar 29, 2009
5:48 PM
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Laura,i don't know but it's like the issues we had couple of years ago up here in wisconsin about chronic wasting diease which affects deer and county people would charge 65.00 dollars for a test kit and any one with deer or elk breeding has to b tested to confirm none of their herds are inffected with this and to me it's how county making money thats all just like the banning of birdsd or fowls in Sacramento County. just take care of ur self and don't let those guys in without propper paper works they will bully u if u don't stand up and post or fight back
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Pumpkin Man
76 posts
Mar 30, 2009
8:28 AM
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It's likely they worked for your state's animal health division of your state's Department of Agriculture and they have probably been asked by their bosses to test poultry owners for Avian Influenza. I have read pigeons don't get Avian Influenza - not sure though if paramyxovirus and avian influenza are related. I understand a lot of the p-off people that commented on this thread and I would be upset too, but keep this in mind. If there is an animal disease outbreak in the U.S. that people could catch I.E. Foot and Mouth disease, anthrax, avian influenza, etc. would you not want to know where the source originated, and have the source of the disease outbreak quarantined so your healtth and health of your animals would not be affected. This charge was led by USDA under the leadership of the Bush administration. I really resisted livestock premise I.D. but the more I think about if I'm doing everything right and keeping my animals healthy I have nothing to worry about and I want to protect my family and my animals from getting sick. Most of this stems from "Mad Cow disease" and Avian Influenza issues overseas. It really is a public health/consumer protection issue at its core even though it doesn't seem like it. Laura now that you have been quote "tested" I would ask for paperwork from those that tested you to show your "clean" if any neighbors raise an issue about your birds or anyone else you can turn this negative into a positive by saying my animals have been tested and they have proved "clean" by the state department of agrculture and pose no risk to anyone.
BTW-I would like to know a little more about whether pigeons can carry Avian Influenza or not from anyone out there truly knowledgeable about avian diseases and/or disease crossover from species to species i.e. chickens to pigeons or pigeons to chickens. If you don't want to post it here, E-mail me privately at billyholleran@yahoo.com If it truly does not crossover all pigeon associations should be writing letters to the state department of agriculture animal health officials to educate them. Most veterniarians don't know much about poultry diseases so they just assume something like avian influenza affects all poultry species.
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
471 posts
Mar 30, 2009
9:00 AM
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Mike Trevis
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They do not use pigeons for avian flu studies due to the fact that they are poor hosts...
There is an effort by the government right now to microchip all animals for GMO, outlaw organic farming/gardening, and to classify earth worms as an invasive species..
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Pumpkin Man
77 posts
Mar 30, 2009
10:17 AM
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Lipper,
Besides cloning which I don't consider GMO since a clone is a genetic copy not genetically modified version of the original,how do you genetically modify an animal? I know how you do it to a vegetable. Microchipping is all part of traceability not GMO. The feds are FOR GMO because all the GMO stuff is controlled by big chemical corporations like Monsanto and seed companies like Asgrow (i.e. Roudup ready soybeans) by the way GMO is not all bad especially if you are a farmer trying to increase yields and make more money. Since most of us don't eat soybeans it doesn't affect us anyway. People like Monsato are big campaign contributors so don't look for that to change anytime soon. I think we can all fight microchipping but not sure you can fight someone that wants to identify you as an animal or food producer. Unless you become a hermit and nobody knows you exist. Also not sure what you mean by organic farming will be outlawed - because the National Organic Program is a program of the USDA. I wouldn't let just anyone come on my property either but in some cases you won't be able to prevent it. There's no use trying to scare everybody by contributing to a thread when you really don't know what your talking about. Brucellosis eradication as well as other livestock disease eradication programs were positive. By the way a game warden can go wherever they want whenever they suspect poaching or want to check licenses or whether or not folks are following game laws. Which means if you hunt own a farm woods or etc, and you see a game warden coming (get your license out and keep your mouth shut) if you think you can tell them they can't trespass on your property you will soon learn your rights. Do game wardens keep you from hunting or infringe on your right to bear arms - of course not. There are checks and balances for everything in our society except for TARP 1 and TARP 2 . Back to my original point- let's suppose an animal disease outbreak occured in your loft that was a threat to other lofts or public health. Do you know what could happen? Your state ag dept but more likely USDA could come in and euthenize your birds and you could not stop them. The bright spot is typically an endemnity is paid. If this were to ever happen we need to make sure our associations help determine the endemnity so that we could receive a true replacement value that would indeed replace our stock. Let's not all be afraid and hide under our kitchen table that big brother is watching. I still pee in my backyard but I do get behind a tree and if someone is watching and sues me for indecent exposure I guess I'll just have to counter sue for voyeurism.
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
472 posts
Mar 30, 2009
10:52 AM
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Mike Trevis
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The Bill to outlaw organic farming,gardening, and to specify earth worms as an invasive species is HR 875 this bill must be stopped... GMO in regards to animals and living food sources is chemical at it's root, such as BST for milk production. GMO can occur in living beings as well as plant life, this is why we are seeing 5 legged frogs and hermaphrodite fish. I will put some of my customer base at risk here telling you it was these same companies and legislation that were responsible for the massive honey bee die off. I will also tell you that I was contacted by the CDC a couple of months ago to test African samples of GMO seed (corn, soybeans, etc.) for a cause of death in many people. I did not do the analyses because the samples that actually came into the states were blood and not feedstuffs. One other thing I would like to clarify for you is that we actually eat a lot of soybean as people. I will not go into all the adverse effects that GMO farming has on our environment or our health or the new disease threats from this type of behavior here. This being stated please know what it is you are talking about before accusing me of promoting unnecessary fear...
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Pumpkin Man
78 posts
Mar 30, 2009
12:53 PM
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Mike,
I stand corrected on the Soybean issue, and I agree that HR875 is crap but it's another separate issue and since it's just an outlandish proposal and not law it hasn't effected anything up till now. I'm still not convinced by your post that you are not trying to scare people. Are you saying that drinking milk with traces of BST genetically modifies you? I guess it depends on how we define GM. I know a Dr. that says it's possible through invitro to customize a baby and get the eye color, hair color etc. and modify genes to prevent sickle-cell anemia etc. during fertilization and meiosis. This is what I consider genetic modification but it's the only kind I've heard of in people and it's not legal to do in this country. To say that if I ate a plant that was GM I therefore become GM I don't buy that, maybe that's not what you're saying. My genes are the same as they were when I was born. My body can synthesize both plant and animal material. Whether or not I eat corn and froglegs or corn that was GM using a a frog gene to make it perform better I don't really know. But assuming my body can synthesize both I don't worry about it. There are far worse things for me to worry about. I have a good friend that is a hog farmer. Paleine is a growth hormone often used in hog production to increase muscling. He said studies showed the drug was completley synthesized by the animal and there was no residue in the meat. I agree though that corporate agriculture is able to get things passed in their favor oftentimes and more than likely we will never no the complete facts, just like your not sharing your complete knowledge here. I'll eat my words once the facts are presented. Since I don't know them I'll assume FDA is doing their part to assure reasonable food safety. I support small scale farming, buying locally produced food be it organic,natural, or conventionsl but I also understand that being able to feed the world also requires corporate agriculture.
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Pumpkin Man
79 posts
Mar 30, 2009
1:19 PM
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Here's a good link on the HR 875 status. Allthough I have disagreed with Mike on several principles I did not realize most of his reference was to this bill. Mike, I apologize no need to argue this bill it must be defeated. I had no idea it had so many co-sponsors. I read about it a few weeks ago but here's a better link to the bills actual status. It also lists co-sponsors I thought everyone would recognize the obsurdity of this bill. Please contact your representatives if they are co-sponsoring it. This bill definately reak havoc on small farmers local food systems, farmers markets etc.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-875
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KiddenAround
288 posts
Mar 30, 2009
1:37 PM
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"I never had the government stop at my place and ask to test my birds.
Oh by the way.... how many birds do you have?
There's an ordinance in my county regarding the number of birds that can be kept and housed in a non-agricultual district.
Marcus -- Orinthologist"
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Marcus -- I live waaaaay out in the country with cattle, horses, chickens, pigeons, dogs -- and if I had my way, I'd have all of Old McDonald's farm and throw in elephants, zebras and giraffes, too! No regulations or restrictions here. I had about 100 pigeons here but last week a friend picked up his that I was keeping for him, so I have about 20 of my own left. The guy came out when all of them were here, but they drove in asking about chickens, not pigeons. When they found out about pigeons, they demanded to see my license for selling birds. I told them that I didn't need a license because I don't, nor will I ever be selling birds.
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KiddenAround
289 posts
Mar 30, 2009
1:39 PM
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"All government officals either city, county, or Fed
have to identify themselves to you.
They have to have a reason to come on your property
and the proper paper work to do anything.
Never let anyone do that without doing the above.-- Steve"
Hey, my instinct was the same as yours. However, I was driving out the gate and a friend let them in. One was state and one was federal and they said it was voluntary. I don't know why my feathers were ruffled about it (no pun intended! ha!) but I didn't like it. Looking back, I wish I had gone with my instinct and refused, but at any rate, that was a couple of weeks ago and so far, I have heard nothing back. But then, the samples may have not had time to be tested at A&M, but I sure don't expect the bird flu, which I believe was their study.
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KiddenAround
290 posts
Mar 30, 2009
1:41 PM
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"Laura- Could they have been(PETA)? They would not be able to show you any ID. JDA"
No, I hate to admit this because some of you may throw rotten tomatoes at me, but I wouldn't allow any PETA person to step into my yard. I'm sure there are some sane, logical PETA folks out there, but as of yet, I haven't seen nor met one.
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KiddenAround
291 posts
Mar 30, 2009
1:43 PM
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"there are several other roller guys in texas. Has anyone heard from any of them getting this same type of visit? This is kinda strange that only Laura, so far, had seen these , people, whoever they are.
And why her? where did they get her info, address etc...?
Things that make ya go hmmmm...
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Butch"
Butch, they were simply driving by (I live right on a busy highway), saw me pulling out with horses, maybe they saw my chickens on the yard, but they did a u-turn and came back. I was starting out on a 14-hour drive to Tennessee and the entire 14 hours, i fretted about it, then decided not to give them that power over me. I'll just wait and see. Don't have anything to hide, just don't like the idea, and sure didn't like the state guy's attitude, kind of a power trip thing.
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KiddenAround
292 posts
Mar 30, 2009
1:50 PM
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Hey, Mike -- I am adamantly opposed to premises ID. That's WAY too much control -- I would have to pay a vet for health papers every time I moved a horse off my property, even if it was 2 blocks down the road. I stay on the road with different horses, working for other people and myself, and some weeks I may transport 20 different horses. I'd rather go take skydiving lessons without a parachute than have to be under Big Brother's thumb like that. Man, they're even wanting the birds tagged. I understand tracking mad cow, and I understand the concept, but where in the world do we ever draw the line? How much regulation and restriction do we endure before nothing is a joy anymore?
I do agree with your idea of seeing the silver lining. At least my birds will be documented officially healthy.
"I really resisted livestock premise I.D. but the more I think about if I'm doing everything right and keeping my animals healthy I have nothing to worry about and I want to protect my family and my animals from getting sick. Most of this stems from "Mad Cow disease" and Avian Influenza issues overseas.
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Square
692 posts
Mar 30, 2009
1:59 PM
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Time for thease folks or being timely isnt priorty..LOL like I said our situations are kinda diffrent... But it took them well over six months to get to me but they did eventually get back.. so dont for a minute thik they are gone 4ever... Hope your birds stay healthy....
Square.
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
473 posts
Mar 30, 2009
2:01 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
I dont want to get too far off the track of rollers here but, I guess if it helps to make a decision on what we feed our birds I will point out a couple things:
GMO crops are as the term implies genetically altered. Round up ready soybeans actually uptake the chemical making it a part of the plants makeup. GMO crops also have pesticide qualities about them. The above being stated they they have an adverse effect on both microbial and non-microbial life in the soil. I am pretty sure you can get a picture from what I have written...
Non GMO or Organic is an unobtrusive and beneficial way to farm and grow food; used correctly this will yield you the greatest quality. Humus is the most beneficial part of soil there is. It should be about the first 8" of soil. It acts like a sponge of sorts and holds moisture and keeps the soil soft and easy for new seed to grow unlike GMO and chemical which destroy the soil. Healthy organic soils actually fight off noxious plants and disease. Food grown in this environment actually pass this benefit to those who eat it. Earth worms move through the soil at the root eating along the way. As this worm food passes out of the earthworm it becomes immediately available to the plant as nutrients and the soil is naturally aerated.
The next time it rains go to a non organic field and look for night crawlers; you will find few if any. Then look for them in an organic farm or just out of reach of the chemicals on the current field; and you will find many.
You stated you doubt that this bill will ever pass, I hope you are right. It is fact that Aspartame and Phenylketonurics are added to our foods and beverages..It is also fact that Sodium Fluoride is added to our water..Do you know what else Sodium Fluoride is used in? It's used in rat poison.. We need to be asking ourselves why our children are having more and more respiratory and mental problems? We need to be asking ourselves why our lower lifeforms are having so many genetic problems? We need to be asking ourselves how far up the food chain these things need to go before it really effects us. You say I am trying to scare..I say I am trying to make aware..You stated your body can break down both plant and animal matter and this is as it should be. The question I have for you is how well does your body break down chemical day after day and what damage is done?
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Lipper
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474 posts
Mar 30, 2009
2:11 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Should this bill pass we will be totally dependant on the Government for our food...And what food we eat..
Pumkin Wrote:
Here's a good link on the HR 875 status. Allthough I have disagreed with Mike on several principles I did not realize most of his reference was to this bill. Mike, I apologize no need to argue this bill it must be defeated. I had no idea it had so many co-sponsors. I read about it a few weeks ago but here's a better link to the bills actual status. It also lists co-sponsors I thought everyone would recognize the obsurdity of this bill. Please contact your representatives if they are co-sponsoring it. This bill definately reak havoc on small farmers local food systems, farmers markets etc.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-875
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Lipper
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Mar 30, 2009
2:55 PM
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Mike Trevis
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Hey Ralph,
I will check this out thanks!!! I got to tell you, I just cannot understand the things that are being done today..These people know the consequences of these actions as well as I do. Yet they push forward, and with speed I have not seen before..I am afraid this bill will pass..
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fhtfire
1894 posts
Mar 30, 2009
3:24 PM
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Info on Avian Influenza and Pigeons
Over a number of years, several scientific studies, some of them done in Canada, have shown that pigeons are generally resistant to Avian Influenza viruses. More recently in 1996, Dr B Panigrahy and co-workers of the National Veterinary Services Laboratory, USDA in Ames Iowa, showed that pigeons were resistant or only slightly susceptible to Highly Pathogenic or Low Pathogenic Avian Influenza viruses. In 2002, Drs Laura Perkins and David Swayne of the Southeast Poultry Research Laboratory, USDA/ARS in Athens Georgia, reported that 4-week-old pigeons – some of which were infected with circovirus which severely damages the immune system – did not develop signs of illness and did not shed virus at any time after they were inoculated with a Highly Pathogenic H5 Avian Influenza virus.
A published report from Germany in 2004 showed that pigeons play only a very minor role in H5 infections.
In the summer of 2005, Dr. Swayne indicated by Email that even following direct inoculation of pigeons with a strain of the Highly Pathogenic H5N1 virus, only limited infections occurred in these pigeons. Dr Swayne did note that die offs in pigeons do occur and that the cause most likely is Paramyxovirus, but observers are likely to blame Avian Influenza. Remember to vaccinate against Paramyxovirus to protect your loft (it is still here).
On the basis of this scientific information, it is unlikely that pigeons will have any impact on influenza infections in humans. The primary species that have natural infections, as you and your community have all heard, are wild ducks and geese.
rock and Roll
Paul
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tapp
675 posts
Mar 30, 2009
3:49 PM
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Nick my old friend you need to wake up to reality!!! Scott you are so right. Sure are a bunch of blind dumb sheep out there in the good ole USA. PS, Nick to change the subject, how are your kits doing? I flew three kits today and seen some nice spinners in each. About one each kit!
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Tapp
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sundance
1087 posts
Mar 31, 2009
12:18 PM
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Tapp, I`ve seen your pigeons and cant believe thats all that you got spinning. You must be trying to sucker us into thinking you aint gonna do good in the WC this year. Ha ha.
Hey how ya been ?
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Butch @
Sundance Roller Lofts
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Velo99
2077 posts
Mar 31, 2009
2:37 PM
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My gut says PETA.
If it had been "real" govt buttheads they woulda thrown a blizzard of paperwork at you.
I have never been approached by anyone here locally in Texas. We have had an all breeds show for years. I dont try to hide the fact I have pigeons,kinda hard with rollers.
The only thing I have done differently is to put my operation under one roof. A nice padlock and my dog keep the prying eyes from counting my birds or assessing my operation.
A side note. The herbicde resistance that was mentioned bleeding over into weeds could potentially be very nasty.
Think Kudzu!!
g/l
yits
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Last Edited by on Mar 31, 2009 2:49 PM
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