STARFIRE
15 posts
Feb 09, 2004
5:07 PM
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Hey guys I just wanted to know how much is the going price for a good spinner.I am just curious.How much would
YOU Pay,for a good pair?
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nicksiders
16 posts
Feb 09, 2004
6:57 PM
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A good pair...................$35.
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tim_barnwell_1966
28 posts
Feb 09, 2004
10:18 PM
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rollerpigeon gets $39.95 per bird is that high even for exlent stock sorry rollerpigeon im new at this i want one kit of real good birds but i dont want to over pay im a po lol back yarder remember lol so id like a few openyuns befor i shell out that much doe for a bird....
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BLUE CORNER BANTAMS
& Pigeons
BIRMINGHAM ROLLERS:
yellow : almond : kites
baldheads : rec red
brown : black : blue bar
allso breeding : CONTINENTAL ROLLERS
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tim_barnwell_1966
29 posts
Feb 09, 2004
10:20 PM
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PS. im like nick $35 a pair sounds moor realisteck
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BLUE CORNER BANTAMS
& Pigeons
BIRMINGHAM ROLLERS:
yellow : almond : kites
baldheads : rec red
brown : black : blue bar
allso breeding : CONTINENTAL ROLLERS
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Mother lode lofts
Guest
Feb 10, 2004
1:33 AM
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Hmmm this is a fun one,I think it all depends on how serious wants to be,and are talking about a true proven pair or a pair of birds that should work,first off if your going to pull a good proven pair out of a "good" loft 500 bucks isnt unreasonable at all,the problem is finding someone that is actually worth buying birds from,tomorrow I'll throw out a topic on obtaining the right birds,but remember what ever you start with is like the foundation of your house,and are what you are going to sink countless hr's and years into.
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rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
33 posts
Feb 10, 2004
8:10 AM
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LOL I just want to say that if you are running a business, there is an extreme amount of time and effort invested. If you want to provide a quality product, add more time.
If you want to provide that same quality product month in and month out, over the life of that business the clients wanting that quality product on those terms are willing to pay for that.
I would not pay $6 for a burger at McDonalds ($1.25??), but I WOULD at TGIF's or Marie Calendars...As the quality and atmosphere and friendliness are worth more than the burger. The experience is a good one.
When you buy a Ruby Roller from RPDC, you are also paying to keep this site up and paying for my time to invest 100's of hours...(ask my wife!!)
I have invested thousands of hours over the last 11 years in my family of birds. I know what they are capable of. I am putting myself and reputation on the line by offering these birds.
You pay for what you get??
Breeders that sell a bird or two here and there can sell for what ever they want. But try to ramp up production and provide that same quality over longs periods of time takes a special effort and goes beyond the "hobbyist" effort.
My clients get a good product with a good gene pool. If they breed and pick right, they will have A LOT OF FUN in their own backyard. They won't have to go to yours or mine to see the show...
I run a business, I provide quality birds and provide a fun experience with this website.
When you buy a Ruby Roller, you are getting the entire experience of Roller-Pigeon.Com.
To keep this site going and up to date takes an investment of time and financial resources.
By the way, I think the feed store charges too much for feed, grit, medicines...I also hear in Canada you can get all these things and medical insurance for almost nothing or FREE???
Oh, and they also want to outlaw certain kinds of religious speech as it upsets Muslims. Hmmm...
I will give you all 1 last comment on this thread and I will have the last word and lock this thread. This is my site. lol. (yeah, I'm taking my ball and going home. ;)
FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
PS This discussion section is provided as a courtesy. Thanks for your participation.
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STARFIRE
17 posts
Feb 10, 2004
9:02 AM
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Hey motherload =how much do you get for some of your great pensom birds?What family do you keep?Do you have any color?
Or are they all hard colored?
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Motherlode lofts
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Feb 10, 2004
9:05 AM
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Ok Tony here's my last one LOL,as long as it's good stock and your in need,then no 39.95 is not unreasonable at all,in fact it's a steal if you account for all the work put into them,is a kit of good stock worth 3 hundred someing bucks,YOU BET,not trying to sell birds for Tony here as I don't know what he has,personally I don't sell birds,nor do I breed more than what I need,but I'll tell you this there are years and uncounted hr's behind them and to be honest with you it's just not worth trying to sell them even at 40 bucks a pop,I'll say one last thing then stop,if you are considering buying birds do some research first otherwise your more than likely to get stung,I will say this about Tony and the birds that he sells,his selling point is just "good stock" not just a bunch of B.S. claims,and remember this all familys will give you more culls than good ones,but it's also woth mention that out a good tightly bred family that the best breeders aren't allways the best in the air.
Motherlode lofts
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Mother lode lofts
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Feb 10, 2004
9:28 AM
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Starfire your question came in just as I fired off the last one,I don't sell birds Starfire,I breed for the kitbox and the rare exceptial bird that hits the stockloft,i breed about a 100 a year for this,I fly em hard and cull them hard,I do try to help out the new guys in the area as long as I see that they are serious,and I'll give some birds to those that I have met over the years and to friends,my birds all are either Dark chk,smokey blue ck,some Rec Red,and a few blue bars and red cks,but not many of the last two,Spitfire there are also good familys out there that are soft colors,badges,oddsides,saddles,grizzles ect,just my opinion Starfire.
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STARFIRE
19 posts
Feb 10, 2004
11:05 AM
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Somebody said yellows are weak birds.Thats B.S.I have yellow bars that have flown 4 hrs.Mother lode ,if you breed 100 birds and you dont have any good ones to sell left over from all those thats not saying much for your stock .I sell my birds for $100.00 a pair I like to have the purchaser see what he is buying .I don't like to sell a bird unless he knows what he is getting.I guess Canadians are stupid. They come and buy a few pair and then they come back and want more. And the're so dumb ,they bring their freinds too.I still did't get your name.You dont have one?I want to check up on you.B.S.baffles brains you know.You havent said what family of pensoms you have.Your pretty long on talk and a little short on information.
Last Edited by STARFIRE on Feb 10, 2004 11:10 AM
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Mother lode lofts
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Feb 10, 2004
4:50 PM
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Boy Starfire you just don't quit do you LOL,you asked for this topic to die and I let it drop and just when I thougt we are biginning to get civil you remind how cocky and full of B.S you are and why this never ends,once more spitfire go back and reread my posts,who said anything about not having any left to sell,once more Spitfire I DON'T SELL BIRDS PERIOD,as for reasons,once again go back and reread my posts,what the hell do you want,your the one that wanted to bring up competitions as the standard and start throwing out B.S about some W/C score,so so myself and Mongral lofts ask you more about it,turns out you never flew in the W/C finals,again just more B.S.,then you ask me about my fly record so I gave it to you in the color topic,you said you didn't believe me so I gave you my name,you see spitfire when you don't talk sh-t you have nothing to hide,since you wanted to keep going here lets at least let something be learned from from this post,in the color topic you were bragging about some yellow the would roll 30-40 come out and hit the kit and roll again,any bird that rolls when it reaches the kit does so due to instability,if I get a youngbird doing this I'll give it a chance to get a handle on the roll it may and it may not,if a birds going to give you a problem where the kit is concerned it's going to be this type of bird,if the bird never gets it together it's a cull,if they have the heart to keep trying to hang with the kit I'll give em up to 3 or 4 weeks depending on how good they are if by then it's still a problem,well then refere to Tonys cullings methods,I prefere step 2 LOL,as for yellows,personally I've never seen a good one,and I've seen quite a few,I've heard of a few here and there by people that I trust to know what a good one is,but I have yet to see one,as for being weak,were talking mental here not physicle,for a good bird qaulity to really wrap it up the the speed that we want,they must have the physicle and mental strength to hold up and it take's a lot out of them,and they just can't do it over and over again for hrs,mabe a poor example of a bird can as they are generally loose and slow,here's another thing,I saw a topic here of"what does a roller look like" look up Starfires site,it's in one of his posts on the color topic (or maybe he can give it to us again)look at his birds,forget the crests,forget the color and try to forget that they have 14 tail feathers LOL(the Birmingham has 12)look at the head now look into thier eye's,look at the type,look the lack of power,wing butts or lack of,look em over real hard,now come back to this site and look at Tonys birds,you see the differance ? ,there's a big difference, there's the look of a bird that can do it,a look that says "HEY",they have powerfull wing butts,powerfull chest,they have the look of a true spinner that can,you can look into any loft that has good birds and that is the look that you will see,a buddy of mine in England sent me pics of his birds,all I can say is the look of a good bird is universal ,now to answer your last question,do I think that the Canadians that buys those birds for a 100 bucks are stupid,the answer to that is "no" I think that they are just misinformed are are wasting thier time and money,nor do I think that you are stupid Spitfire,you just don't that you know the differance is all,Spitfire if you want to prove me wrong all you have to do is fly the W/C thats right around the corner,just think all the both of us have to do is make the finals,and you can show the world how your superior birds can do against my culls,I've asked you this several times,how bout an answer,are you flying or not???????
Scott Campbell
Motherlode lofts
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STARFIRE
20 posts
Feb 10, 2004
7:04 PM
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hi scott The white bird your talking about does not hit the kit.I dont have birds that do that. This one spins 30 ft. and imediatly goes back to the kit and spins again.Have you ever heard of a trigger bird?That a bird that leads the kit and makes them spin.The kit she was in would do about 33 breaks every time I put them out.By the way I used to judge all the time in the TFRC.In fact Myself Bruce Church and the late Doug Scott started this club in 1970.I helped make up all the rules.You arent the only one who can judge birds.You havent seen the other part of my website.The one with my plain Pensom birds.Go there and get on the photos page and scroll down till you get to a picture of a red check baldy. click on that and you will see some good birds.There is a lot of things you dont know about me or my birds.If you weren't so narrow minded about what a spinner is all about,you might see things in a different light.
Last Edited by STARFIRE on Feb 10, 2004 7:06 PM
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Mother lode lofts
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Feb 10, 2004
7:38 PM
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Stan you are right about me not knowing everything about you,and vise - versa ,stan how bout we both drop this slapping each other around stuff and just kiss and make up LOL,face to face you and I would probably get along just fine other than me ribbing you about birds with crests,how bout if I start it off by apoligizing for anything off base that I said,by the way I clicked on that red ck till my index finger was swollen,nothing came up,Stan I wish you the best of luck in the future flys.
Scott campbell
Valley Springs Calif
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nicksiders
18 posts
Feb 10, 2004
8:14 PM
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Holy Cow
I love my birds and I have had some good ones; proven birds. I would never pay $300 a pair for the best of them nor would I pay $300 for someone elses. You guys cannot be serious!
Most of us have culled birds that would qualify a a proven bird or pair of birds. Our little birdies breed like rats and you actually think some of them are worth hundreds?
I just bought some Hatchers birds, some Dick Shepard birds (the Shepard birds were Plona and Smith crosses and yes I have the certificates) for much, much less than a hundred let alone hundreds.
I could tolerate the Ruby Roller prices, but not 100's of dollars!
Come on fellas.
Last Edited by nicksiders on Feb 10, 2004 8:16 PM
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STARFIRE
21 posts
Feb 11, 2004
6:01 PM
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hi scott Apology accepted.I knew you were a reasonable guy.
And I was having fun too.I looked up your flys in the nbrc books and found you did all right.I only looked in the 2002-3 books and I see most of the q-d is 1.3-1.4 With the fly with your biggest score no Q-D noted for that fly.Is that the average in your area?I checked my site and the link works for me all right.Did you look at my videos for the 6 bird break?You will see how deep my birds are.
http://pages.zdnet.com/stan_a35/stanarnoldsbirminghamrollersite
That will take you to my regular Pensom site. Good luck in the W/C flys this year.
Last Edited by STARFIRE on Feb 12, 2004 7:32 PM
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mother lode lofts
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Feb 11, 2004
7:23 PM
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Starfire where did you pull those from,I know that there are some that I would like to forget LOL,there's also some in the 1.5 1.6 range and they were flys that I was happy with,I'm talking finals here,the NBRC finals was an ugly one this year for me I'll tell you that LOL,multipliers are like score's they can vary greatly from judge to judge,but hey if you are going to play it's all out there on paper,the good the bad and the UGLY LOL,there's a lot of things that we can be facing on fly day,heat,wind,no flytime due to weather,you name it it can happen,then on top of it you can just plain screw em up(done that to),it's all part of the game.
Scott Campbell
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Mongrel lots
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Feb 12, 2004
10:12 PM
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Hey Nick,
I paid a grand for two cock birds back in the day.. Paid $300 bucks for a pair of young birds.. I sold one of the cock birds for the same money after breeding from him, plus two young birds from a hen I wanted some young off of,,, When selling my birds, I don't care what you think they are worth,, Its what they are worth to me, that sets the price.. A Guy sure doesn't have to buy them, and I sure don't have to give them away for a donut and dance... What one would give to his friends in this sport, others eithr can't buy, or really have to pay for.. Thats just my honest opinion,, and dats dat!!!
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viper
6 posts
Feb 20, 2004
8:21 PM
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One way to think of this is it cost just as much to care and feed for good ones as for ones that ain't so good so you might as well try to get the best you can.
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nicksiders
20 posts
Feb 21, 2004
2:03 PM
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I have had some birds I would not sell, but I knew in time I would produce some birds just as good. Our beloved little birds bread very well and if the champion roll is in 'em they will sooner or later spit out a champion. To pay hundreds or thousand(s) just don't make sence to me. If I can buy a Hatcher bird for 30-$50 (Plona-Smith cross that I have a flying video off) how can I get a much better bird for hundreds or thousands. From these birds they will sooner or later throw out even better birds which I will breed until 5 or 6 out of every ten will be good spinners(soom better then others).
I am not for sure that the amount of money dictates how good a bird you got. I am sure that Mr. Plona did not pay money like that to develope his line. I understand he did it with give aways and 5 dollar birds.
I have seen champion roller come out of a 12 year old's loft
who bought most of his birds at flea markets for less than $10..............don't strive to be an elitus. Bread the best to the best generation after generation and walla you have great birds. When some offers you hundreds just say no and ask for 35 bucks and everyone lives happily ever after. Nobody has gotten screwd and our hobby will appeal to more and more. Even the young boy or girl can have champions..................
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Baldy
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Feb 22, 2004
8:44 AM
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Coming from a boy(16), that was excellent!
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nicksiders
21 posts
Feb 22, 2004
1:20 PM
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Baldy,
This is such a great hobby. Keep the feather merchants out and it will appeal to to a lot of people who can't afford to buy horses or dogs. It will especially appeal to the young people like yourself allowing the hobby to grow. It seems once a person is hooked into the hobby they are forever hooked. I am 60 years old I am returning to the hobby once again. I am trying not to bring baggage back in with me.........trying to have a beginner's attitude.
Stay with the hobby and you will meet some of the greatest people on earth.
Nick
Last Edited by nicksiders on Feb 22, 2004 1:21 PM
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rollerpigeon1963
4 posts
Feb 22, 2004
7:18 PM
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Price of rollers,
Well I can really give people some prime examples of this. I had spent 5,000.00 on 10 pair of birds. I was thinking I had the best of the best. Then I found out I had marked up pedigrees. The birds were worthless to me not for being a good roller. But I couldn't believe the person who sold me the birds. So was he telling me the truth that the birds were as good as he said they were. So I wanted rid of the birds. Knowing I would never get my money back on the birds I traded them for foster birds. And now I don't have them on the farm now.
I have bought birds from Joe Roe direct and the price was very reasonable. And I had purchased birds from another gentleman and the price was also reasonable. So to turn the favor I allowed a person getting started to use my foundation pairs. he used them for almost a year. And it didn't stop there. Here in the past 2 months I have sent out 40 birds to different people all over the United States. And it didn't cost them a dime. I have even sent them birds without asking for any shipping money. All I asked them is to let me know what they thought of the birds and what kind of performance they received from the birds. So I hear it all the time that someone wont sell you there best birds. Well I will tell you you never looked this way. I'm not saying I have the best birds out there but I am always willing to help a beginner. Because without them where would we be? So remember when someone asks you a question about rollers they will listem and more than likly follow your advice to a tee. So becareful what you say to a new person.
And there is people out there who wants to help if they know your serious in flying rollers. Well I better quit rambling because this isnt making since to me know LOL LOL.
Best of luck to you all
Brian Middaugh
NBRC Website
nbrconline.com
Birds Of A Feather Loft
http://rollerpigeon1963.tripod.com
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Show Roller
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Feb 24, 2004
5:51 PM
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Since you guys are talking about prices,I will throw a
good one at you.I seen Charly Albaugh(NBRC HALL OF FAME) buy ten (10) birds off Ed Emerson at a show in Ohio and
pay $10,000.00 for the ten birds. That is the most money
I have ever heard anyone pay for Rollers.
Speaking of the NBRC,there is a great article in this issue
about Establishing a Family.They are talking about racing
homers in the article,but the concept is the same for any breed. RON
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
2 posts
Feb 24, 2004
11:36 PM
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Price is a matter of supply and demand, more accurately the latter. A lot of people are lured by the hype, lured by the success and often become intoxicated with the idea that if they have so-in-so's birds, they will be successfull in no time. There are several members of our club who have guys lining up at their doors every weekend to buy kit birds for $100 bucks each. $300-$500 for a pair of breeders. Or in some cases $500-$1,000 bucks for one bird that has some meaningful value to pedigrees in a variety of lofts for which that blood runs. It is insane to me, but some guys have the money and love to spend it. I think the most I ever paid for a roller was $50 bucks x 2, two important birds I needed and were worth it. All of the rest of my stock came from good friends with whom I now share birds back with. I don't care for feather merchants or the idea of making a buck of presumed performance. But if someone can consistently back it up fly after fly, then if guys are lining up at their door with fists full of 100 dollar bills, I suppose it would be hard to turn it down. Hell one of our best competitors ended up with enough revenue from all the excitement about his birds to buy a new truck, I reminded him I hope he had enough sense to keep the best for the WC...lol.
Brian.
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Show Roller
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Feb 25, 2004
3:48 PM
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Brian,
You are so very right about The hype in buying expensive birds.For years I seen people buy rollers for ridiculous
prices because it was out of a grandson or first cousin
to some bird that won a National somewhere at sometime.
These people that paid this big price tag thought because
of the amount they paid,that they would raise world beaters. Then when they did not,they got so disgruntled
they ended up getting out of birds.However,I have seen just
the opposite happen also. I have been guilty and probably
so have others,in selling birds too cheap. I have sold or
given away good birds to find out the new breeder did not keep them.Why? Because they did not think the birds where very good because the price was to cheap or they were free.
It is perceived value. I guess that is why I loan a lot of
birds to people each year. If you loan people birds they have to breed out of them and for some reason the perceived
value is much greater.Food for thought!!!!!!!
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
9 posts
Feb 25, 2004
4:18 PM
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Show Roller, I have a friend who was once big into Show Rollers and he told me several of those stories you mentioned. Pretty crazy how some people can get caught up in the hype sometimes. Personally I am a pigeon person for the hobby, and only like to get enough in return to help put a dent in the feed bill. In my show birds we have a network of friends, those of us who are usually the guys others have to beat. The most enjoyable facet of that situation is that none of us buy birds from one another, we just share with one another and because of that we have each taken our birds to a whole new level. I have probably the best stud of black selfs in my show breed in the country, or so their show record says anyway and I made the mistake of putting some really good birds into the hands of new breeders thinking they would do something good with them. I have a standard for new breeders and I explain it out clearly to them. That is that I will put together the pairs as I think they should best be mated for the best results and they only have to pay 25 bucks each. If they return next year and show that they have put in the time and are serious, they can be in the ranks of the sharing and he will never have to buy a bird from me again. Trading is always fun when someone is working with your stock. But this past year I changed my tune, much for the same reason you mentioned. I put some really great stock in the hands of the new breeders and never saw them again and man do I wish I could get some of those birds back. Now I put a higher price tag on them if someone wants some and explain the same thing to them, and that the reason they are more than the others is because if you are willing to pay the price for them, then you are serious. Prove it next year and like before, we are on sharing terms from then on out. I don't expect others to follow that principal, but I go to bed at night feeling good about being honest with those who want my show breed and knowing that many new friendships will undoubtedly be developed because of it. Fortunately I have fell on the same terms with some of the local rollers guys and we have developed many deep friendships because of it.
Last Edited by MCCORMICKLOFTS on Feb 25, 2004 4:23 PM
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viper
8 posts
Feb 25, 2004
6:15 PM
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I bought some rollers from a well know about 3 years ago and it was not working out.Then another flyer that does not fly comp. anymore gave me some pairs to try.Must be luck but I ended up 2 in my region and 6 in state last year.they are still doing good so with luck I hope to fly the world cup don't know what will happen but thats part of the fun everytime you open the door you don't know what will happen till its over.Just trying to say some of the free birds are as good as bought ones and I have heard others say same.
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Show Roller
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Feb 25, 2004
6:46 PM
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McCormicklofts,I know the feeling well.I have about 40 Show
Rollers on loan right now and I am shipping 8 birds to
California next Monday to three guys.Most of these will be
on loan.I too have severial guys that I travel with that we
share birds back and forth. What Show Breed do you have?
My other Show breed is Show Racers. I also have racing homers I use for feeders. RON
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Anonymous
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Feb 25, 2004
9:12 PM
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Show Roller, Rollers are my #1 fascination, but my #1 show breed is West of England Tumblers. I have a few pair of Helmets and Mookees too. If I had to only have one breed of pigeons though, it would be Rollers. Besides, sure would be nice to only breed from 12 pair of birds instead of 75. LOL.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
10 posts
Feb 25, 2004
9:14 PM
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Sorry Show Roller, forgot to log-in, that Anonymous is I. LOL.
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Swamp Fox
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Feb 26, 2004
8:32 AM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
Would you please give me your e-mail address? I have a question for you. Thanks
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Swamp Fox
Guest
Feb 26, 2004
8:34 AM
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Does anyone live in the Atlanta, Ga area? I would like to visit your place and watch your birds perform. Thanks
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nicksiders
24 posts
Feb 26, 2004
8:34 PM
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Some of those prices are sad and a detriment to our hobby.
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old timer
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Feb 26, 2004
8:39 PM
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i have been breeding pigeons for 30 years i have seen guys get ripped off by some of those big names in our sport. I wont mention any names. they know who they are over pricing birds like that and the no brains who pay the price 50dls-1000dls for the birds just to fail. the only way to get the good ones is friends or some one with a good reputation that dosent over price his birds to rip some one off. No BIRD IS WORTH FIFTY TO OND THOUSAND DOLLERS . If some one trys to tell you any diffrent hes not some one you can trust no mater how BIG his name is thank you for your time old timer
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
17 posts
Feb 26, 2004
8:49 PM
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Nick, I am curious (honestly) about how you feel those prices are a detriment to the hobby? In that particular case it was a special auction of bird donated by serious breeders who, for the most part, have proven their birds in World Cup competition and done very, very well. The money goes to a good cause to support the World Cup fly. Ron Judd is a friend of mine and he spent well over $2,000 for those birds from Heine (cost+shipping+quarantine). He wanted them bad enough to out bid anyone else. The best part is that if they turn out to be good birds (no doubt they are) he's already filled on kit box with youngsters off of them and I can see that in the coming year or so will offer birds to those who seek them, and if I know Ron, it will be a very fair price guys like you or I could afford. If you look at some of the other winning bids, how about 10 kit birds from Jay Starley that works out to 35 buck each. Not a bad price for some proven stock. Heck John Weins has proven he can fly top birds and at $53 bucks each for some kit birds off his good stuff, that's a bargin. You have to remember that those aren't necessarily the prices all roller guys will ask for their birds, it was a special occasion and the hard core set out to help the WC organization and get some stock WANTED in the process.
Brian.
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rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
62 posts
Feb 26, 2004
10:36 PM
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I would like to respond to some of the posts:
ROLLER-PIGEON.COM is a business. It has been started by me, a performance breeder of Ruby Rollers desiring to earn a fair profit by offering quality rollers to anyone willing to pay what the fair market says they are worth.
IF you run a business, earning a profit is it’s the sole reason for being. In order to do this, I have to provide my visitors with a website, products and services that they enjoy and want to come back and buy more of it.
Ruby Rollers are a good product at a fair price. Over 10 years of my effort, time, patience, work, cold mornings, planning, cleaning, selection for performance etc. have gone into this family.
Business 101
The price of rollers as with any product or service is based on “supply and demand”. Too many of an item, vs lower demand, prices go down. Not enough items, vs high demand prices go up.
It is not really a question of “how much you would pay for a good pair of rollers”, it should be, where can I find a reliable source of quality roller stock that will allow me to enjoy a kit of action packed rollers I can watch in my backyard or fly in competition that will fit my budget?
Some are saying a person should only pay this or that amount as they are so easy to breed or they’re just pigeons or whatever. This amounts to price fixing and is I believe a child of socialist and communist thought.
In a free market capitalist system, supply and demand always determines price. This for example determines what I can charge for any of the products on this website.
IF I were starting out, I would want a reputable source for my stock and would be willing to pay way more than what I currently charge for Ruby Rollers (prices may go up soon!).
If I knew I could trust my source and I received additional value behind the purchase such as ongoing support, information and other benifits, I would be willing to pay as much as I could afford to pay.
For example, I just paid $500 for 2 sets of 8 individual breeding pens from Jedds Pigeon Supply. Why did I do this? I wanted the prefabricated wire pens with easy to clean pans and spring doors on rolling wheels with the convenient feeder and water trays that insert between each compartment.
Was I overcharged? The wire itself did not cost all that much. The plastic trays did not add much to the cost of fabrication. So why did I spend all this money?
For convenience, to save me the time from designing, buying wood, measuring, cutting wood, screwing hinges, to make the cleanup process more convenient, so that I did not take an entire weekend to build it.
Should other feed stores that sell their breeding pens for less suggest to Jedds they lower their prices? After all it is so cheap to actually manufacture the wire pens. No of course not, I bought what I wanted and what they had I was willing to pay what I did to get what I got and I am happy I have them!
If you are a hobbyist and you feel like you want to part with your roller pairs for free or for $10 a pair that is your right and please, go ahead. (Hey maybe I’ll buy some from you and resell them?? Lol)
I am providing quality stock from a family of rollers that has been in development for 10 years. They are good rollers!
I am a businessman offering a great product at a fair market price. If someone does not agree, they are free in this capitalist system to go shop elsewhere.
But they won’t have what I have. They won’t see the show I see when I release a kit of Ruby Rollers on a cold morning standing under them with a hot cup of coffee in hand or understand the smile on my face when the action starts!
FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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upcd
190 posts
Mar 17, 2006
2:14 AM
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The price of rollers. Or any bird for that matter. Free to wow. Why does anyone charge? To cover feed, meds, bands and labor. You know feeding and cleaning. It alot of work. It is fun for those who love birds.
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siddiqir
161 posts
Mar 17, 2006
7:57 AM
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I think there is no average price for good stock pair. It all depends upon SELLER. He put the price tag on. There is no negotiation either however you may get few free birds for the price you paid for stock pair. Your Luck play big role, you may end up getting good foundation stock pair for 50 dollars or you may end up paying more then 400 dollars again it is all depend upon WHO you dealing with & of course his reputation
Last Edited by siddiqir on Mar 17, 2006 7:58 AM
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John
15 posts
Mar 17, 2006
9:53 AM
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The bottom line is no ones forcing anybody at gun point to pay these large sums of cash for birds.You can go to the pet shop and pick up all the $5.00 birds you want. You may get some good ones and may not. You can spend the big bucks for birds and again you may get good ones and you may not.
Every one culls even the big names fliers.
The thing is most people want the best or better then what they have but don't want to pay for it. Some people are looking for a hand out.This is a sport or hobbie just any other sport or hobby.You couldn't take up golf and go to the pro shop an think you are going to get free clubs and shoes just because your new to the sport. The same for tennis or any other sport or hobby. So why do people think any different about this hobby?
How many of us own nice trucks or suv's? There all over priced but we buy them any way.Some of them don't perform as we expected and some turn out to be lemons.You can't buy a nice suv or truck at a pinto prices.
The bottom line is if you don't want to spend the big bucks for birds then find some in your price range.If your happy with them then they are worth every penny you spent.They could have cost $5.00 or $5,000 as long as you are happy that's all that matters.
John
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rollerpigeon1963
73 posts
Mar 17, 2006
1:11 PM
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Buying Birds!!!
"You get what you pay for" is the old saying. Well its now what you pay for but who you buy them from.
If you want competition birds you have to buy it from someone who flys rollers for a hobby and not a keeper. That is where a lot of people gets into trouble.
If you want good quality birds buy them from someone who is honest and flys in competition. If by any chance you can go and pick out the birds yourself than do it. If your not sure about style and quality then take someone with you that can give you a hand.
Now I have bought birds for a high dollar and come to find out about it they weren't worth a pint of cold pi$$. All that money and years to find out I had nothing more than junk!!!
Now for a fellow rollerman to sell you some of his birds. Well what would you say they were worth? What is his experience worth? how many years does he have in his family of birds? So what is this worth? Some will say $35.00. Well if you bought your birds in the beginning and had 20 years with them and improving them each year would they be more valuable in a few year or stay the same in value. Doesn't the breeder desirve more than that?
Now you ask what would be a good price? Well use your own judgement because you are the one parting with the money. But remember they might be at the top of the game and your trying to skip a few years of errors in breeding. So what is that worth.
Hey John were you around when I made that deal on those junk birds? LOL LOL just kidding!
Now in twenty years after all the errors you made and working with the same family you final are on top of the roller game what is your birds worth????
Thanks for listening Brian Middaugh
P.S the NBRC auction is running and there is good real good fliers birds on the auction block. And here is a hint for some you. Some of the breeders never sell a bird and this is the only way to get some!!!!
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rust never sleeps
30 posts
Mar 17, 2006
2:57 PM
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I agree with Scott C. and Kenny B. Also if i could pick out an AIR TESTED spinner from a name breeder or a non name breeder, from his kit and that bird performance is faster than anything i own, or i have witness I don't mind spending big bucks. I wouldn't try to insult his hard work in cultivating that pigeon i'm trying to buy. Also i try to treat people the way i like to be treated.
Last Edited by rust never sleeps on Mar 17, 2006 7:43 PM
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Velo99
271 posts
Mar 17, 2006
7:36 PM
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Paul,
The dun squeak started spinning little spins on its third time out. The black is doing deep rides. All the squeaks look good. They kitted with the big guys and flew a few minutes. Can`t wait to start pumping the Lavin bird with my best hen.
yits,
KennyH
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Fr.mike
101 posts
Mar 17, 2006
7:53 PM
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Well--heres my two cents(new guy) worth I spent what I believe was pretty good money for my birds to start with.I did some research looked at birds fly etc.For my wallet size it was quite a challenge butI believe That free birds can be champs--so can big money birds and vise versa-and the old addage buyer beware fits.but there is the human element--something I used with my kids(all four)--everything they just HAD to have that was expensive I told them to earn half and I would pay the other half.first of all it elimenated 99% of all they HAD to have--the other1% that they worked hard for they took care of.Alot of us are gust big kids and just HAVE TO HAVE--when we have to spend good money we will or should be careful--and what we get we will take care of.If its all free we dont value it as much.I am not saying that bird prices cant be inflated and that ripoffs dont exist.but for the honest guys--we have to consider feed costs time in the loft and number of years developing a familly of birds.surely this has some value?When we stand on the shoulders of decades of hard work and dedication and expect it to be free(key word-EXPECT) but three cheers for the man/woman that helps out a young person or someone that could never afford 50$ birds.but dont pull up in his/her driveway with your fifty thousand dollar humm vee and insult the guy with your shock and aww at a few bucks.Hay just a few rambbling thoughts
Fr.mike
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Alan Bliven
325 posts
Mar 17, 2006
10:59 PM
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Mike,
Many people with a fifty thousand dollar humm vee need all the hand outs they can get because they are in debt up to their eye balls trying to pay for it.
As far as the cost of birds go, my advise is to have patience, look around, get to know the right people and you can get good quality Rollers for 20.00 - 25.00 each.
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Alan
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FULLTURN
10 posts
Mar 19, 2006
9:54 AM
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Hello ALL,
I have been mentioned as spending a goodly amount for some stock birds. I'll tell you why. I have been in this game for over 30 years. Breeding from the same family for all those years never produced a kit that could compete with many we see today. Yes there were some great individual performers. Some would call them champs. but great individual performers don't generally make good kit birds.
This game of ours is a team sport. Something we should never forget. Well, This time around I took another approach. I went looking for a new family of birds. It seemed to me that if I could find and aquire birds from a good family I would be years ahead of trying to form my own family again. It took years to aquire birds from several families. I bred and flew their young and studied them very closely. Each year I discarded the members of the families I no longer wanted to proceed with and continuede to work with the best. None of the families were crossed. If they didn't cut it on their own they were eleminated. Each time I cut a family, I gave them away (Free)to other faniers who could not have afforded what I paid for them. The family I settled on came from Heine Bijker in Holland. From three breeding pairs I started with, I am now flying 4 kits. They are not perfect but I'm years ahead as a result of good planning. You can't put a price on this.
Last Edited by FULLTURN on Mar 19, 2006 7:40 PM
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GREEN
5 posts
Aug 20, 2007
12:37 PM
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( Moderated) EFREN DE LUCAS
You need to read and comply with the posting policy!
Not allowed:
• The offer to buy or sell, trade or give away any pigeon or pigeon related product or service. There are sufficient websites that offer these services for free or a minimal fee!
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Last Edited by on Aug 20, 2007 1:02 PM
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MILO
403 posts
Aug 20, 2007
1:45 PM
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Way to dredge up a crappy thread from March...LOL
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classicpony
328 posts
Aug 20, 2007
2:01 PM
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I do believe that you need to start with good stock. The price of that good stock can be high. whats it worth to you? What can you afford?? Or go back to that 80/20 rule, get you best stock possible using this rule. It will help you get the best you can afford.
Good stock? Better stock or the Best Stock?? The choice is yours.
Jim
@thebirdhouse
Last Edited by on Aug 21, 2007 5:12 AM
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Newflyer
139 posts
Aug 22, 2007
4:46 PM
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Alan....No truer words have ever been spoken. I can attest to that...........
Paul
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bob
52 posts
Aug 22, 2007
5:44 PM
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Congratulations Stan & Scot i give you both credit for your willingness to apologize to each other. It takes good men to admit mistakes & move on. way to go guys Bob in Ontario
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