juanrollers
272 posts
Mar 31, 2009
8:18 PM
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For some reason I've been loseing alot of young birds. This year I started training them before they could really fly good. I thought for sure I'm not going to lose any this way but I did. I've managed to lose 2 out of 6. They're not getting chased by B.O.P. or anything. The 1st one was just flying low and wondered away the 2nd one was on Sat. he went up high with some of my older birds and came down early but seem to have landed blocks away. Niether made it back. How many do you lose if any?
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rtwilliams
GOLD MEMBER
382 posts
Mar 31, 2009
8:40 PM
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The only time I have lost squeakers is when I over fed them. With control of the feed they get back into the box quick.
When I have overfed and they loly-gaged on the kit box bad things happen.
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RT Williams
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Pararoller
91 posts
Apr 01, 2009
11:51 AM
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one thing is ur squeakers doesn't have their kitbox homed yet and ur kit birds is over feed i think cause i lose one to bop or sudden strong wind up here in wisconsin start to lengthen the distance for ur kit birds from the kitbox lil by lil they will b easy prey for bop if their under 3months for me so i fly them around 3+ only but i train them b4 that so they home in their kitbox
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quickspin
1010 posts
Apr 01, 2009
2:45 PM
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Juan,
What it seems is that you are flying birds with different age groups all together. You need to fly kits by age and by roll.
Young birds have to be flown with young birds they can't fly that strong like older birds.
Also ones you ween them open the door in a few days so they can go out and in out of there kit cage. If you start flying them for the first time when they are too strong they will fly away.
I ween them around 3-4 weeks and at 5 weeks they are out.
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speedball
337 posts
Apr 01, 2009
2:59 PM
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sounds like you get into a rush to see them fly. leave them on loft longer and let them go by themselves. never, never fly new squeekers with oldbirds of any age. when they first strike off flap an oldbird under them after a minute. do this daily for 3-4 days then increase the time. they come back once they know where to drop.
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2806 posts
Apr 01, 2009
5:36 PM
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The only time I fly young birds with old birds is because I don't have enough young ones so after they know how to trap and listen to my command I let the old birds have their fly when they are coming in low from having their fly I keep them up 5 more minutes by tossing the young bird into them .they learn to kit and come in as a team as what I want them to do and everyday I increase the time but always noticing that if the young is thinking about coming down you have to be able to pick on that by feeling them out.. what I do is whistle the old birds in ....now I never let them go out with the old birds on their first fly.I let them eat with the big boys, then I put the big boys away .leave the young one to eat all they want .put them away separate.this is only because I have only two young's to train .but if you have more young than do as the guys above stated fly the young together..never with old birds for the old birds will fly far and higher the youngsters will get scare of leaving there zone and start to panic..that s when you see them fly away another direction and banking on trees, buildings what have you and remember they ate well because you feed the young well right so guess what they go bank for hours ,why should they come home they not hungry is 1 and 2 they are scare..they are times you have to know when to control with the feed even the young one if they stay out all day they are punish by me just like kids they get their ration but not all they want until they listen and that takes just a couple of days with my birds..so good luck,,..don't give in.
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Last Edited by on Apr 02, 2009 9:27 PM
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juanrollers
273 posts
Apr 01, 2009
8:42 PM
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Thanks for the advice. I do recognize my mistakes and will change a few things. Any more advice is welcome.
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Bill C
311 posts
Apr 01, 2009
9:51 PM
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Make sure you are not letting your birds get too strong on the wing before you let them out. You want them young to train, If older they are easier to lose.
I trap train them first to go in and out of the kit box from outside with a wire cage that fits onto the kit box where they can go up on the roof and then I start feeding them so they have to trap in to eat.
Once you have them going in the kit box easily its time to let them out to fly. First I get them hungry for two days, make sure you have them practically eating out of your hand. Always whistle or shake a feed can before feeding them and once out flying they will come back into the kit box to eat with that sound that means food to them.
Once I let the new squeakers out to fly I then let out an older kit to help get a few that are still out in trees or a telephone pole wire. Soon they see the other birds trapping in and come down also and trap in.
I will often take the day off to train a kit the first day so I can be there and call them in one at a time if I have to. Just make sure they are hungry enough that they almost follow you around the yard. I will also take the water out the last day before release. I want them looking to me for food and water too if it is not a hot summer day.
I will often have a young bird out the first time flying come to me instead of the kit box. When they see me with a feed tray and whistling it really gets their attenion off the huge world they are suddenly in and makes my job a lot easier. Remeber you want total control of them the first day out.
If you ever had birds a little strong on the wing then the best time to release them is in the afternoon when it is hot. None of the birds want to fly in the heat of the day and they will only fly for 10 to 15 minutes and land. But do not feed them for two days also and cut back on the 3rd day a little. Once in you can feed them all they want and skip one day out and once they know where home is they usually never get lost again. Good Lucki. BIll C
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Velo99
2079 posts
Apr 02, 2009
5:30 AM
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When I start training squeaks I start with kitbox training as soon as they get enough feathers and mobility to get into it. They should recognise the box as home after a few days. Before I feed em I take em all out a few feet from the box and let em scramble back into the box.
Feed feed feed is the key. They have to eat in the kitbox,every time. I take mine out one at time while the rest are eating and let him scramble back into the kitbox to get his share.
My method gives me a few days to get them homed before they can actually fly more than 20 feet.
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The success rate rises when I "pretrain" taking them out of the breeder loft and setting them in the kitbox for an hour or two. These small periods of deprivation of feed and their mama will tip their little psyche enough to make them look for another source of security,like thier kitmates and the kitbox as a safe place.
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j .wanless
703 posts
Apr 02, 2009
8:46 AM
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hi all
this as got to be my biggest problem since keeping rollers.i loose a lot of youngsters every year off the loft top.ive lived in my present house coming up almost 15 years.my previous house is no more than a few hundred yards away .but i never lost any where near the/brds i loose now.all my birds are stamped or rung with tele phone no.ive tried everything mentioned on this page + i still loose them. so ive come to the conclusion it has got to do with the way i breed my birds.i probaly breed closer with my birds than anyone else in the uk.so i think allthough it benefits me in certain ways im sure it has had a opposite affect in the homing instinct .im now training ybrds to go up i have 15 flying well but lost 4 when 1st started to go in the air.i have another batch of 20 to start to go up + im dredding it as i know i will loose some.i love flying y/brds but i hate settling them.
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J_Star
1948 posts
Apr 02, 2009
9:11 AM
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Why don't you tape their wings to keep them grounded for a little longer before they start taking to the air. This way they become more familiar with their surroundings before lift off.
Jay
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juanrollers
274 posts
Apr 02, 2009
6:32 PM
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Thanks again. And Velo99 I think you are correct in saying (feed) is the main thing. Yesterday I gave them less feed and today it worked perfect.They only flew 15 min. and stayed close to home, also they trapped quick on command. I also did'nt release the older birds together with the young becase as someone above mentioned that the young follow the older birds but then get tired and get lost on the way down. I will continue to follow these easy steps and hopefully wont lose too many more.
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