Lipper
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Apr 04, 2009
1:37 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
I have implemented a monthly use of distilled water for my birds. I give them only distilled water for three days each month to remove contaminates. This is something I do myself from time to time to clean my system out...
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donnie james
371 posts
Apr 04, 2009
7:51 PM
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i watch a video that rick shoeing made and the englang guys and john hunington gives his birds distilled water all the time he said i guess it really works for him..................donny james
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PR_rollers
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2819 posts
Apr 04, 2009
9:12 PM
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Mike like you said from time to time to clean my system out .that is the only time I would use it because I was drinking distilled water for ten years until my bones started hurting bad it took all the calcium out my body finally the doctors figure it out after my broken bone on my ankle wouldn't heal for a year cast after cast on and off.I stop drinking it first month I notice a change.so I have my 12 gallon distilled tank sitting in a corner getting dust on it.. I use it to put in my battery when needed..
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Velo99
2084 posts
Apr 04, 2009
9:20 PM
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I use flitered water when I medicate. Other than that they get tap water
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Tony Chavarria
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3209 posts
Apr 05, 2009
1:43 AM
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Mike, how does distilled water help our birds? What does it do? Are there any possible dangers associated with it such as bones that Ralph mentions? Can we make our own distilled water? Thanks in advance!
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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sundance
1093 posts
Apr 05, 2009
7:04 AM
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I dont see how it would clean you or the birds out.... Its just pure water. It has no mineral content, which we and the birds need. I`m confused why you think its a good regimend to do regularly. I agree it might be good, just because its purified water. but thats all
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Lipper
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494 posts
Apr 05, 2009
9:16 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Ralph, the statement that distilled water leached calcium or any mineral from the body has no basis in fact...I dont care what your doctor told you..He was wrong.. It doesn't leach out minerals that have become part of the cell structure... It can't and won't... It collects only minerals that have already been rejected by the cells...Another false statement I have heard is that distilled water takes up minerals from foods so that the body gets no benefit...I have found that doctors do a lot of guess work at times..Maybe that is why we are so often prescribed broad spectrum antibiotics..LOL
What distilled water does do is act like a magnet, it picks up rejected, and unusable minerals and, assisted by the blood and the lymph, carries them to the lungs and kidneys for elimination from the body....
Kenny you stated that he use filtered water when medicating your birds. What filter or type is used? You also said that the rest of the time your birds get tap water. I am assuming this is city water they are getting? Has this water been treated with Flouride? Has this water been tested for pharmaceuticals, arsenic, etc.?
Tony, distilled water is water that has been boiled, evaporated and condensed leaving all chemicals, toxins and waste behind creating pure, clean water....Distillation is the same method seen in nature, where the sun heats the water on the earth's surface, turns it into a vapour where it rises, leaving contaminants behind, to form clouds... As the upper atmosphere drops in temperature the vapours cool and convert back to water to form water droplets... Then once the droplets fall as rain the cycle starts over again...This is exactly the same process in a water distiller the water is heated to boiling point so the impurities are separated from the water, and the water then becomes steam... This is then condensed back into pure liquid form...
I get mine from the lab, but you can get it at any grocery store for under 75 cents a gallon..The are distillers on the market for a reasonable price..Sounds like Ralph may have one he would let go..LOL
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Tony Chavarria
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3214 posts
Apr 05, 2009
9:32 AM
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Mike, that's interesting. If the benefits are as you indicate, is there a reason humans should not drink it all the time? I live in the country and get my water from a well with an electric pump. We tested the water for minerals and metals and came up negative. Seems the water is "distilled"? Or would I have that wrong? Mike, thanks for taking the time to explain.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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0221
147 posts
Apr 05, 2009
9:34 AM
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I've been giving mine tap water for years. I've got cocks in stock that are 14 and 15 years old, still filling eggs. Hens that are 10 years olds, still laying hatchable eggs. I say keep it simple.
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Lipper
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495 posts
Apr 05, 2009
9:37 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Glenn, just my two cents on your post...If you want to remove chlorine from water you should let it sit for a day, but you should also aerate it with a fish bubbler...I have to do this often in the lab when I am breeding up microbiologicals for waste streams..
Also in regards to R/O you have to monitor the pH and keep it as close to 7 as possible. The main thing with R/O is that people think they are safe just having an under the counter model. Contaminates are more readily absorbed by the body through the skin and lungs while bathing or showering in warm steam creating water..
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Lipper
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496 posts
Apr 05, 2009
9:53 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Some cities do have good tap water..Many do not..We are finding more and more contaminates all the time...Some cities add Sodium Fluoride to their water, we know that this is one of the ingredients in rat poison.. We just tested a Iowa city for Fluoride and found it to be 20 times higher than the "stated" safe level..The odd thing about this is that fluoride is not found naturally occurring in our water, it has to be put there..This city does not add fluoride to the water, it is coming out of the ground this way..Who put it there and why? We have just in the past few years started seeing increases in nitrates, arsenic, and pharmaceuticals in drinking water sources..I believe the distilled water can be beneficial in aiding the body to remove these contaminates...but hey you do what you want..
0221 wrote:
I've been giving mine tap water for years. I've got cocks in stock that are 14 and 15 years old, still filling eggs. Hens that are 10 years olds, still laying hatchable eggs. I say keep it simple.
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stiff
65 posts
Apr 05, 2009
10:04 AM
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Lipper what I do is I use tap water but i put it in a 1 gallon milk jug let it stand over nite,then use it then next day. I do this so when i give vitamins or medicate my birds it doesnt have any chlorine that will contaminate the vitamins or medication. Clayton
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Lipper
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497 posts
Apr 05, 2009
10:09 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Tony, You may have a good well and might not have to worry about much..It is a known fact that we are finally starting to run out of good potable water, places like California are going to be greatly impacted..The next great exchange in wealth is expected to be in the water industry, as a matter of fact many expect future wars to be fought over water..We have taken this resource for granted and are now going to pay the piper for it. There is an old saying in this business "The solution to pollution is dilution"..
My main reason for the DI water is health..I can some what monitor what my family eats, but it is pretty hard to do with grains...GMO grains are geared to survive both pesticides and herbicides..The plant is bringing these chemicals inside of it where it is dispersed throughout. This leaves it in its seeds as well..We feed these seeds to our birds and other livestock.. Where does the chemical end up if not on our dinner tables and in our roller feeders?
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Lipper
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498 posts
Apr 05, 2009
10:14 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Clayton, the reason we went using the fish bubblers is that we were still detecting some chlorine after just letting the water sit for 24 hours...Our SOP's actually reflect this as well now..
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Lipper
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499 posts
Apr 05, 2009
10:38 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Tony to answer your question in regards to using DI everyday, I suppose you could..I have always felt that some association to our environment is a good thing. We build tolerances, immunities, and our bodies learn to fight off certain contaminates..And no tony your well water is not distilled..Another thing we have determined lately is a correlation to very hard water (high in calcium and magnesiun) and kidney stones..Ralph's post reminded me of this..
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glenn
228 posts
Apr 05, 2009
11:02 AM
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Hello Mike:
In our Lab (Photo Processing Lab), we use distilled water to make Reagents & to mix certian chemicals. But not for drinking....I will ask more questions and see what I get. Distilled water good for battiries and car radiators..Glenn
Hey Mike:
Do you use a spectrophotometer in your lab?
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Lipper
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500 posts
Apr 05, 2009
11:16 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Ralph,
I can see you are worked up about this subject, lets just take a deep breath and see where we end up here.. I do care about people or I would not go to the leangths I do, true I do make a living at some of it..I can post many opposing sources to your doctor Emoto, who you stated is a doctor of "alternative" medicine..
"The body’s need for minerals is largely met through foods, not drinking water." - American Medical Journal
"The minerals which the human body needs that are in the water are insignificant to those in food… and anyone simply eating a varied diet, not even a balanced diet, could hardly suffer a mineral deficiency." - Dr. Henry A. Schroeder, Dartmouth Medical School
"The only minerals that the body can utilize are the organic minerals. All other types of minerals are foreign substances to the body and must be eliminated. Distilled water is the only water that can be taken into the body without any damage to the tissues." - Dr. Allen E. Banik
I do know a bit about body building as well..I am sure you will agree with me when I say that there is not much in the way of "moderation" here..What with the massive amounts of steroids and builing blocks used by some...
Ralph, you stated "One of the major foundational reasons is that distilled water is highly acidic." Ralph DI water is 100% pure and pH balanced and lab data reflects this..You also stated "Since distilled water is like a vacuum without any minerals, it will actually leach beneficial minerals". Ralph this is simply impossible....It is a known fact that we get nearly all of our minerals from food, and little if any from water. Once our bodies absorb these minerals into our cells they cannot be leached out by DI water..
I dont want any hard feelings Ralph, but facts are facts, it is what it is..If you have hard evidence from noted sources to the contrary please show me..
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Lipper
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501 posts
Apr 05, 2009
11:18 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Yes, Glen we have two of them..Why do you ask?
Hey Mike:
Do you use a spectrophotometer in your lab?
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Lipper
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502 posts
Apr 05, 2009
11:22 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Glenn, we use DI water for reagents and chemical prep as well..I am trying to figure out why a photo lab would really have any input here???
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glenn
229 posts
Apr 05, 2009
1:26 PM
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Hello Mike:
What brand do you use? I am looking to purchase one to do a Bromide & Phenidone "A" content on our B&W pocessing solutions. Any imput would be helpful. My only experenice with distilled water is with cars & Film.....>Glenn
"Remember Pigeons & Film are Forever"
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Lipper
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503 posts
Apr 05, 2009
3:07 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Glen I am going to have to let you know what they are tomorrow..I did just buy a new Perkin Elmer Optima 2100 ICP last July. I really like the service and support we have received from them, and would highly recommend them..
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Lipper
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504 posts
Apr 05, 2009
3:26 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Tony, I fully agree with this article. The only way we can get the quality food we need is organic farming and gardening. This new bill HR875 is trying to outlaw good farming and replace it with GMO, if this passes we are finished. I just posted on the Big Brother thread what type of mindset we have running our country now...I actually made an attempt to try and change farming here in Iowa three years ago..The farmers were very acceptable to my proposals, but the chemical companies were not..There is just too much money involved to get anything done, especially politically..We see it in the soil samples we test all the time. The organics are pretty much gone. I would sure be willing help with my time and lab data if someone wanted to try and change this in Washington.
I know this sounds crazy but I am going to say it anyway..It seems as though there is an effort to slow kill us with chemicals. They are absolutely putting them in everything. There is no benefit to them in our food sources. I just read an article recently where the FDA changed I believe it was Vit. B12 from a vitamin to a drug.. The stuff they are doing is just crazy!
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0221
153 posts
Apr 05, 2009
3:34 PM
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There just upset because we're living past 62. they don't want to give us our (SO SO security) LOL.
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nicksiders
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3369 posts
Apr 05, 2009
4:18 PM
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I see a purpose for distilled water when medicating or to put in an iron to make sure your white shirts don't get stained when ironing. Other than that I see no other benefit and think we are starting to over complicate our own lives and what we are doing in the lofts when propagating its use.
I take vitamins and minerals to overcome the shortfalls in diet and I feed vitamins and minerals to my birds as well via grit and spiking thier drinking water. Does not take much........just a little bit.
K.I.S.S method should always be applied.
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