jnyce
653 posts
Apr 05, 2009
1:58 PM
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how important are these to a roller how does it effect the roll if it affects it at all jerry t
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Scott
1983 posts
Apr 05, 2009
2:23 PM
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It has no effect on the roll at all, I have prooven that to myself over and over again ,it is a rudder and nothing more
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jnyce
654 posts
Apr 05, 2009
2:27 PM
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hey scott how are you first of all? and when you say rudder what do u mean ? do you believe that it serves no purpose ?
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0221
151 posts
Apr 05, 2009
3:04 PM
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I think a roller that has tail feather's 1/2in to 5/8in longer than the flights is more likely to look smother in the roll. I reserve the right to be wrong. LOL.
Last Edited by on Apr 05, 2009 3:28 PM
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donnie james
375 posts
Apr 05, 2009
3:07 PM
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hay jerry its very important when they come out of the roll they spread there tail all the way out and use it as a brake the slow them out of the roll.........................donny james p.s. just my opinion i could be wrong ....................
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0221
152 posts
Apr 05, 2009
3:09 PM
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donnie, one day just to see, I pulled all the tail feathers out of a very fast roller. I didn't see any change as far as the stop went.
Last Edited by on Apr 05, 2009 3:29 PM
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Scott
1985 posts
Apr 05, 2009
3:10 PM
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Jerry, what I'm getting at is that it isn't used as any type of break.
0221 , I like some cast on my birds due to it does smooth them out.
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wishiwon2
175 posts
Apr 05, 2009
4:28 PM
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It functions as a rudder, meaning it helps them to steer, especially when landing or flying slow. It has no effect on the roll, or the ability to stop rolling. Ive flown many birds without tail feathers and they rolled the same as before they lost tail feather. I routinely clip tail feathers as a method of marking birds to identify them in the air, no effect.
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3370 posts
Apr 05, 2009
6:41 PM
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I think we should breed the birds without a tail sense they make no difference in the performance. So I want to see the genetic guys step up and find a way to breed 'em without tails instead of some stupid color.
I am just being a smart ass; there has to be a reason for the tail that is benefituary to the bird and the roller performance. Even if it is "just a rutter" which I think is important in staying true to the kit. I have noticed that the tails will flex upward at the point they go into the roll; during the roll; and will flare when coming out of the roll. I think everything about a bird is important to the bird and especialy to roller pigeons. It all has to be there and in good condition to give you that top shelf performance we are looking for.
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Last Edited by on Apr 06, 2009 5:32 AM
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donnie james
376 posts
Apr 05, 2009
9:52 PM
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hay nick you have some good points there..........could get deeper but i'm not a very speller and i'll leave it at that...............donny james
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Chris Thompson
1 post
Apr 06, 2009
8:03 PM
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I agree that the tail feathers aid the birds in braking out of the roll, but I too have some of my birds who have missing tailfeathers and are still able to break off out of the roll.
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PR_rollers
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2824 posts
Apr 06, 2009
9:34 PM
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Hey Chris I see its your first post ..welcome to RPDC...
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miss opportunity are the curse of potential well if opportunity is not knocking you build the door...
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Square
697 posts
Apr 07, 2009
4:03 PM
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Maby its just me but I personally think that the tail has alot to do with the roll and control of the roll. I mean it effects the birds when they are in the moult so why wouldent it effect them if they were without it? Its just unreal to think that it has no effect on the roll, so I guess it blows the "hole" in the roll thing outta the water...LOL . on the real the tail is important and that is just for me....good luck...
Square.
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Bill C
321 posts
Apr 07, 2009
4:06 PM
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Your right Nick, The tail is very important for something. First it saves a birds life when the BOP catch it by the tail as they can release the feathers to escape. Its like a drenalin thing that they do just like a lizzard does.
Also When I was last visiting with Chan Grover I had noticed in his pictures that the old Pemsom types had a tail about 1" longer than the wing tips. I mentioned it to Chan and he said it makes the hole in the roll.
I remember KGB had talked quite extensively about the cobby rollers aposed to the long cast rollers which he prefered. He could give some information on them also.
I dont think you would see the hole in the roll with out a tail. We all like that hole. Not that we see it all the time though. BIll C
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3221 posts
Apr 07, 2009
4:31 PM
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The reason the bird stops rolling when its tail feathers are missing is because it uses its wings to compensate for the lack of tail to stop. What did you think was going to happen, that it would crash to the ground because the brakes went out? LOL God has given the roller pigeon that is missing tail feathers more than 1 way to stop...
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Last Edited by on Apr 07, 2009 4:32 PM
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Square
698 posts
Apr 07, 2009
4:33 PM
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LOL GOOD ONE....
Booker
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kcfirl
574 posts
Apr 07, 2009
5:25 PM
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List,
Scott is wrong on this one. And he is also right.
The tail certainly does affect the roll. It helps keeps the bird rolling on a straight line, ie. it acts as a rudder.
I had a black, WF go missing about 2 weeks ago when the team got hit up high and broken up. this bird didn;t come back till the next day and I found it hiding under the loft. The tail was completely gone. When I reflew the bird again after a couple of days it looked like a bat. When it rolled, it tends to frift to one side and back again and appears to be trying to stay straight with it's wings. Previous to losing it's tail, it rolled straight.
So, yes, a bird can roll w/o a tail, yes it can stop after rolling without a tail, and yes, th etail does impact the quality of the roll.
Best Regards,
Ken
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Chris Thompson
7 posts
Apr 08, 2009
7:08 PM
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PR thanks for the site recognition, I am currently flying Richard Apadaca birds from Apple Valley Ca. Me and my brother are just getting back into the game since we moved to the high desert area. We hooked up with Richard and he got us back on our way. Thanks.
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155
1007 posts
Apr 08, 2009
7:26 PM
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Chris Thompson
when was the last time you got some birds from Richard? if is kool to know
jose
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Chris Thompson
10 posts
Apr 08, 2009
7:30 PM
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155 I just got 5 birds from him yesterday. Me and my brother are rebuilding his kit boxes and rebuilt him stairs for his breeding loft. In total we got about 50 of his birds.
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155
1009 posts
Apr 08, 2009
7:32 PM
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did you get a white grizzle from him? or your brother
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2832 posts
Apr 08, 2009
7:33 PM
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Hey Chris that's kool man ...you in a good start..good luck you and your brother...
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miss opportunity are the curse of potential well if opportunity is not knocking you build the door...
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Chris Thompson
11 posts
Apr 08, 2009
7:33 PM
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155 - Jose I also just recieved a pair of manny moreno's birds. Grizzle pair. They are on their first round. I want to cross Richards line with manny's.
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155
1010 posts
Apr 08, 2009
7:34 PM
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mannys is my pops
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Chris Thompson
12 posts
Apr 08, 2009
7:34 PM
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The grizzle pair- cock dark grizzle and the hen is a white grizzle.
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Chris Thompson
13 posts
Apr 08, 2009
7:35 PM
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wow kool to know Jose.. This site is awesome.
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Chris Thompson
14 posts
Apr 08, 2009
7:35 PM
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Thanks PR.
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155
1011 posts
Apr 08, 2009
7:35 PM
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did you get them from him?? from Richard?
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Chris Thompson
16 posts
Apr 08, 2009
7:37 PM
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From Richard who got them from a guy in Arizona.
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Chris Thompson
17 posts
Apr 08, 2009
7:37 PM
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The guys name in Arizona was Bob. I am not sure about his last name.
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155
1012 posts
Apr 08, 2009
7:39 PM
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you got a num? josejimenez155@msn.com i will tell you more about them birds
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Chris Thompson
18 posts
Apr 08, 2009
7:40 PM
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yeah I can go out to the loft and get those band #s
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Chris Thompson
19 posts
Apr 08, 2009
7:41 PM
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jose my email is topnotchrollers@yahoo.com or my number is 760-912-6153
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155
1013 posts
Apr 08, 2009
7:41 PM
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do you have a cell num? i know them birds
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
226 posts
Apr 08, 2009
11:26 PM
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Tail feathers are a rollers breaks and something that is very important part of there spin.JDA
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