nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3377 posts
Apr 11, 2009
7:43 PM
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I now have been involved in meetings and competition on four occasions with this club and have had a very positive experience each time. The only worrisome thing I have ever experienced with that area is about who is NOT showing up at the functions.
They have a good thing going on there and those who are not taking part that reside in the area need to re-examine thier commitment to this hobby.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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fransrollers
18 posts
Apr 11, 2009
7:46 PM
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hi nick i read your post on milo and im wondering what you feed ratio mix for your breeders and kit birds and stock birds need help thanks im new
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gotspin7
2359 posts
Apr 11, 2009
8:38 PM
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Nick, do you have any pics to share your adventures in Missouri?
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Sal Ortiz
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3227 posts
Apr 11, 2009
9:57 PM
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Nick, to quote one of your favorite Presidents, Ronald Reagan, I know he was mine: "...well, there you go again...". Stop worrying for others, its not healthy. ;-)
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Last Edited by on Apr 11, 2009 9:58 PM
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nicksiders
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3378 posts
Apr 12, 2009
3:25 PM
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fransrollers - This is what works for me and keep in mind there will be many different ideas that others will have and they will all be right.
For my breeders:
2 parts wheat
2 parts milo
2 parts austrian peas
3 parts safflower
This is done not by weight, but by volume. Note that the 50 lb. bag of safflower is larger than the other 50 lb. bags.
With this mixture you are getting approximately 14.6% protien; 48.2% carbo; and 10.8% fat. I like the higher content of fat for the babies health and growth. Takes a lot of energy to grow(LOL).
For the kit birds:
5 parts wheat
5 parts milo
3 parts peas
This is for the maintainance of the kit birds when you are flying.
This will be giving you approximately 12.2% protien; 67% carbo; and 2.4% fat. Giving your birds some protien to rebuild and some carbo's to perform with very little fats.
For competition and about two weeks from fly time I go to:
1 part wheat
1 part milo
This gives you approximately 10% protien; 69% carbo; and 2.5% fat. Max out on the carbo's to give you that explosive performance.
I keep food in front of my breeders all of the time.
I feed one measuring cup per 10 birds to my kitbirds. In the summer months this may be too much. The birds will tell you by thier behavior.
When I have the kit birds locked down for a long period of time (hawks) and know that I will have them locked down for an extended period of time I give them the same feed mix as I do the breeders, but keep them on a one cup per ten bird ration. When it turns freezing cold I will increase the ration by atleast 25% and sometimes increase the amount of fat (safflower) to ward off the cold.
There are times when I will change up the ratios depending on the birds condition; you got to handle them and watch them as often as you can to note changes in thier comditioning.
For competition I used to shorten their rations sometimes all the way down to half rations. I am no longer believing this has benifits with my birds.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Apr 20, 2009 10:28 PM
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3379 posts
Apr 12, 2009
3:35 PM
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Tony - I don't know why people don't get involved in thier hobby outside of the back yard. When I didn't wonder from my own yard I had my reasons and none of them really held water.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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fransrollers
20 posts
Apr 12, 2009
6:52 PM
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thanks nick now i know what to feed my birdies
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
372 posts
Apr 13, 2009
10:06 AM
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The RD for region 5 is Nick Siders
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3396 posts
Apr 20, 2009
10:31 PM
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fransrollers - see post 3378. I made an error with the kit bird maintenance ratios. Note - I have changed the milo and wheat to 5 parts each instead of the 10 parts each.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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fransrollers
21 posts
Apr 22, 2009
4:05 AM
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thanks nick. for leting me know.about the ratio of the mix. what do you think about pigeon pellets.i have been reading about the pellets that toughrollers has put an articale, can i mix this pellet with your mix. fran
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3397 posts
Apr 22, 2009
6:37 AM
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Pigeon pellets have a plus side because the manufactor normally has added vitamins and minerals needed for good health. Grain feeders will have to add additional vitamins and minerals themselves via the feed or drinking water. You can also add grain to the pellets to either boost them or cut them.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Apr 22, 2009 6:38 AM
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Mongrel Lofts
591 posts
Apr 23, 2009
2:10 PM
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Hi Nick,
When was the last time the SMRA held a local club fly? Who won last years club flys? Who do you send your club dues to? What months of the year does the club hold their club competitions? what are the mission statements for this SMRA? I'm sure many others on here would like to hear more about the SMRA. Nick, start with who won the club championship for the local fly series the last couple of years and who is in the lead this year? The SMRA is a flying competition roller club right? Thanks for the information Nick.. Looking forward to hearing the fly results in the SMRA, KGB
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3399 posts
Apr 23, 2009
4:49 PM
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Kenny,
I am not a member of the SMRA. I have attended a few of thier functions through an invitation. I am usually sent an invitation from Joe Woodiel who is also on this list. Each time I have visited I see more than one kit fly. The last meeting I attended I saw a kit at Lloyd Lee's; Spike Gilmore's; and Ronnie Dyal's. I did not see any score keeping being done; but all kits were critiqued by all those present.
I think you should be talking to a member and not me. I know many of the members compete in the WC and NBRC flys.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Apr 23, 2009 4:50 PM
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
GOLD MEMBER
2574 posts
May 02, 2009
6:02 AM
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Hi papa Nick,,,,,,,,
May you give me a brief schedule of when missouri...arkansas and kansas fly..???
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
398 posts
May 02, 2009
6:16 AM
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Rudy,
Starts next Saturday, May 9 and runs thru May 14. I'm first out the door next Saturday morning.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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Electric-man
2316 posts
May 02, 2009
8:06 AM
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Rudy, i sent you a schedule. Check your email and it should be there.
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Val
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gotspin7
2381 posts
May 02, 2009
9:02 AM
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Rudy, I hope you come down and meet with us at Jim's and good luck to all the Central region flyers..
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Sal Ortiz
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
GOLD MEMBER
2575 posts
May 02, 2009
12:32 PM
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Wish all my good friends in that region good luck....
Bill Roy.......Sal Ortiz.....Val Reneau....Jim Bowen....Ferrel Bussing ....and Papa Siders.....
Val i couldnt get schedule i guess my comp is old school......lol
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2913 posts
May 02, 2009
7:18 PM
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I also wish my boy Val and Sal good luck and all the other fellows I don't know too.....
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Ralph.
The greatest use of your life is so you live your life so that the use of your life will outlive your life, In other words what you going to leave behind legacy or Dust....
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Electric-man
2317 posts
May 02, 2009
8:01 PM
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Thanks guys!
Here you go Rudy!
Sat. May 9
7:00 AM - Joe Beach
Leavenworth KS
11:00 AM - Jim Bowen
Abilene KS
12:30 PM - Second kit
2:15 PM - Norm Boettcher
Soloman KS
5:45 PM - Terry Horner
Norwich KS
Sunday May 10
7:00 AM - Willie Sylvey
Modine KS
8:30 AM - Second kit
12:00 - Val Reneau
Cushing, OK
3:00 PM - Ben Winkelman
El Reno, OK
6:00 PM - Ferrell Bussing
Dibble, OK
Monday, May 11
7:00 AM - Marcus & June
Dibble, OK
9:30 AM - Bob Anderson
Tupelo, OK
11:30 AM - Randy Wilson
Savanna, OK
3:00 PM - Larry Richardson
Westville, OK
4:15 PM - Mike Allen
Summers, Ok
6:00 PM - Kenny Henderson
Rudy, AR
Tuesday May 12
7:00 AM - Sal Ortiz
Van Buren, AR
8:30 AM - Second kit
11:45 AM - Dave Hafner
Cabot, AR
2:30 PM - Nick Siders
Marion, AR
3:30 PM - Second kit
5:30 PM - Jerry Holder
Bono, AR
Wednesday May 13
7:00 AM - Cecil Canoy
Ellsonore, MO
10:30 AM - Bill Roy
Highlandville, MO
12:30 PM - LLoyd Lee
Everton,MO
2:15 PM - Joe Woodiel
Fair Grove, MO
4:45 pm - Dan Galarza
St. James, MO
Thursday May 14
7:00 AM - Eldon Cheney
Lonedell, MO
12 Noon - Dan Taylor
Pleasant Hill, MO
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Val
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donnie james
420 posts
May 02, 2009
9:46 PM
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hay nick do like we did the portsmouth roller club done some 20 years ago give points out for taking part in actived and etc. i wrote an article on about about it 20 years ago and sind it in to the nbrc so other club can use but they never put in the bulletin but any if you a copy of it give a private email at mrprc1@yahoo.com with your mailing address and i'll be glad to send you a copy of it to help you and your club out..............donny james
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Missouri-Flyer
1652 posts
May 03, 2009
12:54 PM
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Hey Kenny,
Being an SMRA club member, I will attempt to answer your questions to the best of my knowledge.
The last club fly was 3 weeks ago. Our members live close to 70 or 80 miles apart, so to get everyones kits to fly on the same day just isnt gonna happen.
Last years club fly wasnt won by any 1 flier. We fly to have fun and enjoy each others company more than anything. This club was started well before me becoming a member in 2004. We have monthly meetings where we have a fabulous lunch, travel to 2 or 3 members houses, and watch birds.
We hold club comps from April thru usually Nov. when it gets chilly.
As far as a mission statement, I am unaware. This is a close knit group of guys and gals that resemble more a family than a club.
Backing up, if there was to be an award for the strongest flier in the club year after year, and most devoted that never misses an invite, or the WC, I would have to say it would be Bill Roy.. Bill is a hell of a guy that knows this hobby as well if not better than most. I have had the pleasure of visiting his loft many times, and aquired half of my birds from him. He is a great guy, and will help if he is asked.
That is what the SMRA stands for. Friends and family getting together to share stories, experiences, food, and a hell of alot fun.
Some will see it as something other than a club, because we dont write a score down on our monthly flies, or pass out an award at the end of the year, but the feeling we get throughout the year amounts to alot more than any award or points given.. Have a wonderful day
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Missouri-Flyer
1653 posts
May 03, 2009
12:57 PM
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We have talked about splitting the club into 2 or 3 regions, and flying the top from each area at the end of the year.. Nothing has come of that as of yet. Just my personal opinion is that compition isnt necessary to have a good time, or to promote whos birds are better than others. That is why those in the SMRA that want to prove something can fly in the WC or FF.
We in the club know who has the better birds, and who could take an award at the end..And no, its not me.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Missouri-Flyer
1654 posts
May 03, 2009
1:07 PM
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Hey Nick,
Im not sure where your going with your initial statement at the top of this thread, but just remember that sometimes life gets in the way, and keeps us from being as devoted as we would like to be, me included.
Some of you older guys are retired, disabled,etc. and have the time to visit lofts daily, drive hours upon hours to visit friends, but for some, that just isnt happening. It doesnt mean we are less interested in the club meetings, or less knowledgeable that those with more time.
I will stop rambling and let you explain your statement if you see fit. You have my email if you would like to chit chat that way.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Missouri-Flyer
1656 posts
May 03, 2009
1:16 PM
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P.S Kenny,
We have no club dues. Maybe in the future if the club goes a different direction, then maybe that will happen.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
GOLD MEMBER
2583 posts
May 03, 2009
3:07 PM
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Zuppppppppppppp Jerry................
Your friend in the Hobby..........
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3415 posts
May 03, 2009
5:35 PM
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Jerry, I have seen you at the club meetings I have attended. I will not drag up names, but there are people that are in that area I have never seen at a function; some even being members that have always been a no-show.
I guess it is thier business not to be involved for whatever reason.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3283 posts
May 03, 2009
6:51 PM
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awww, c'mon Nick, sounds to me like you are stirring the stink. No? It's easy to figure out, if someone doesn't attend meetings or flys, in my book, that means they are not in the club.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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donnie james
423 posts
May 03, 2009
7:20 PM
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hay nick that paper will be in mondays mail to you............donny james
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2914 posts
May 03, 2009
8:21 PM
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Hey Jerry interesting I like the way you guys run your club ..
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Ralph.
The greatest use of your life is so you live your life so that the use of your life will outlive your life, In other words what you going to leave behind legacy or Dust....
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3416 posts
May 03, 2009
8:47 PM
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Ralph - Newly formed ASRA (Arkansas State Roller Association) has a no dues policy as well. It is a pay as you go system. You only pay for the event(s) you use or attend.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3417 posts
May 03, 2009
8:52 PM
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Tony - I am not trying to stir anything up. There are members in that club that do not attend, but take it upon themselves to sit on the outside and complain about what is going on in the inside.
I am just seeking to understand it and I also don't understand why someone who lives in the area and has a severe interest in rollers doesn't belong. I personally would be compelled to belong.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2917 posts
May 03, 2009
9:10 PM
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"I am just seeking to understand it and I also don't understand why someone who lives in the area and has a severe interest in rollers doesn't belong. I personally would be compelled to belong.
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Nick some ppl like to be into their own thing..and we are not all alike..some are compelled and some are not..but you right about the ones that like to complain from the outside about what is going on in the inside.they rather have others do everything for them while they sit and bitch.....now I'm not talking about anyone there but ppl in general all around..
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what I like about that club is they compete with each other but not as who is better but if you want to prove something go out to the big comp.FF or WC where it really matters or count.. like I said interesting..
Ralph.
The greatest use of your life is so you live your life so that the use of your life will outlive your life, In other words what you going to leave behind legacy or Dust....
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Mongrel Lofts
592 posts
May 04, 2009
12:17 AM
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Hi Jerry,
Thanks for the explanation of the SMRA.. Sounds like the focus is socializing more than competing. Most local clubs compete to get their kit prepping skills sharpened. I have been a member of several local clubs over the years. They all had a spring fly series and fall series. We flew 8 to 10 months a year. One fly a month. I made friends competing in these clubs that have lasted a life time. Local competition sharpens ones kit preperation skills. The socializing is always fun. The home made pies don't hurt either! LOL I guess you would not really call the SMRA a roller competition club? More of a social club sounds like. Enjoy the birds and the hobby Jerry. Thanks for your insite into your local club. KGB
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3285 posts
May 04, 2009
3:37 AM
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Nick, I have not been out here for too long, but in the course of a fly or two, I have had the pleasure to meet and visit some of these guys setups, and yes, they are a great bunch. I was a little slow on the up take but I think I know of the person you are alluding to. I think this individual means well and has allot to offer through practical suggestions and previous experience but the club is not headed in that direction. Their choice. I suppose he and the club have differing approaches to how things should function. But its a free country (er, I mean used to be).
If I were active in a club, I guess I would be in it to win. Hand me a plaque or a trophy, I'm wanna be #1 baby!! lol
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
1910 posts
May 04, 2009
7:44 AM
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"IF" the NBRC was Founded in 1961 and "IF" the WC flew it's first competition in 1991 and if the NBRC flew it's first National competition, a few years AFTER the first WC........ What did the NBRC do for the first 30-35 years? It looks to me that NOT all these Roller clubs start right off with competition as their number one purpose, but use other methods to encourage members to join in the activities/services offered. The NBRC seems to be meeting the needs of their members, whether it be competition or social; hard core flyers or backyard flyers. Maybe the SMRA is following in the footsteps of the NBRC in its early days, like most pigeon clubs? For a club to be successful, it needs to meet the needs of its members, whatever those needs may be. As more members join who wish to enjoy competition, I would expect more competition flies to be flown. As they say, you can attract more bees to honey than if you try to use vinegar. Trying to brow-beat people to fly, may lead to limited success. But if you encourage people to fly, help them find good birds, mentor them in the hobby, you may start them in, a life long pursuit in Rollers.
Cliff
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katyroller
389 posts
May 04, 2009
2:45 PM
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Cliff, You may even have some fanciers who do not intend to compete show up to support the club and for the fellowship. As time goes on they may catch the comp bug and decide to compete also. Alot of folks believe that you have to fly comps to improve your family. While it certainly doesn't hurt, it isn't necessary. What is necessary is the intestinal fortitude to fly birds that meet the standard. We can attend flys and improve our knowledge of the standard and get suggestions on how to improve our families without ever flying a kit in competition. In the past I have had fellow club members come over to watch my kits and always had someone give me an "unofficial" score. To properly prepare a kit for a comp is very time consuming and not all of us have that luxury. I am sure there have been folks that flew good kits in comps and decided to stop competing for whatever reason. I seriously doubt their families went to crap because they stopped competing.
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
GOLD MEMBER
2587 posts
May 10, 2009
7:06 PM
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How are the stats Nick..//?????
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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gotspin7
2398 posts
May 11, 2009
4:18 AM
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What up RUDYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYy???????????
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Sal Ortiz
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