toronto15
175 posts
Apr 26, 2009
3:20 PM
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Fransroller,not a trouble maker,just believe that performance pigeons should be raised on grains. I know it,s easier to use pellats,but you can raise good healthy squeeks the grain way.Just my opinion.Do what you like. Glen.
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fransrollers
25 posts
Apr 26, 2009
3:39 PM
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hey toronto 15 maybe you should read the articale that toughrollers has posted on pellets you may learn something but then again we stick to what we like you stick to what you like and I stick to what the article on the previous post on pellets has said. Im sure that there are lots of experienced people use pellets. Sit back and relax max and read. Sounds like you need to read up on facts. Have a good day. Ciao
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0221
244 posts
Apr 29, 2009
9:22 AM
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toughrollers, I thought that post 100 was a good read.I always wonder when people say that they have problem's with infertility, the first thing thats suggested, is trim the vents. After reading that post,It would appear that the birds are just not in breeding condition. I know people that have been in the hobby for year's that give there birds vitamins, wheat germ oil ect,ect. just to find out everything you need is already in the pelletts, plus like the writer says, with grain the birds pick and choose what they like, not what they may need. Back to the trimming vents, one of the most prolific breed of pigeon's I have ever seen, were fantail's, talk about feather's around the buisness end???????????
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toronto15
176 posts
Apr 29, 2009
2:29 PM
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Question. Is it possible to breed a weak digestive system into a family of performance birds,be them Rollers or Racers, using pellats? Glen.
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toughrollers
120 posts
Apr 29, 2009
3:15 PM
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0221 sounds like you are doing good. at your buisness end. or did you have two eggs. come out of you today, LOL
Toughrollers--Lofts
Ralph
Last Edited by on Apr 29, 2009 3:16 PM
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LittleJohn
95 posts
Apr 29, 2009
3:16 PM
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I split the ration of pellets and seeds a couple days ago, and flew my young kit today. They went up, up, up, up....and didn't see them for over an hour. 6 of the 8 are back and in the kitbox, but haven't seen the other two at all. I have them on just pellets now, and have cut them back some more. They were kitting nice, and rolling good, full of snot today....that's a first so far.
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fransrollers
28 posts
Apr 29, 2009
4:41 PM
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Hi little john, I have been using the pigeon pellets for about 1 week now and I have noted the difference in their performance. They "kit" better and rolling sensationally. Im "wrapped" can't wait to see what happens in the coming months.
Ciao Fran
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LittleJohn
97 posts
May 01, 2009
4:16 AM
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Mine have been on the pellets for several days now, and have a marked improvement on kitting and rolling...I plan to stick with it for a while and see what happens, so far I like what I have seen, Purina Green gets a thumbs up from me!
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fransrollers
29 posts
May 03, 2009
6:57 PM
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hi guys ,my birds are performing. like ther is nothing that can stop them. i have been feeding them pigeon pellets and wow what a difrence it makes. ther kiting well and rolling as a team i cant wait to see whats going to happen in a few more weeks feeding them these pellets fran
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0221
252 posts
May 07, 2009
8:51 AM
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toughrollers, good post (100)
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toughrollers
122 posts
May 09, 2009
6:09 AM
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it has been just over three weeks now that i have been feeding these pigeon pellets and wow what a performance . ----------
Toughrollers--Lofts
Ralph
Last Edited by on May 09, 2009 6:11 AM
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nicksiders
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4312 posts
Apr 22, 2010
5:36 PM
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RodSD
400 posts
Apr 25, 2010
3:25 AM
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How much pellets are you feeding them to get those good performances? I never feed straight pellets only a mix with grain.
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Windjammer Loft
1099 posts
Apr 26, 2010
9:08 AM
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I fed Nutrina Gambird Pellets strickly for the convience.... 1 bag of pellets, instead of 3 buckets of the separete grains, especially if you don't have that much room. This way I didn't have to worry about getting the right amounts of each grain mix. I just fed "straight" pellets all the time and adjusted the amounts for what ever reason I needed
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Paul
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fhtfire
2516 posts
Apr 26, 2010
9:58 AM
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Ok guys...
Pellets CAN be fed to your fliers!...I have been doing it since 06 and I actually get better performance then using hard grains. I do cut my pellets with wheat and milo and the proper rations you have to find yourself. I have been feeding pellets to the fliers when everyone was telling me no that it is bad....well...they are wrong.
YES you can mix the grains and pellets and train your breeders to eat all the grain. DONT LEAVE FOOD IN FRONT OF THEM ALL THE TImE and they wont pick they eat all. Pay attention to your breeders and you will know exactly how much to feed them for the day and that should be all they get. I know if I have babies they get 3 cans of mix...no babies 2 cans of mix and they clean it all up. Breeders act just like the kit birds....hanging on the wire..yet all the babies are full and the crops are full. They usually clean up the last of the feed in the evenings.
As far as game bird and layer pellets....everyone needs to read the labels.....I know we all think that game bird mix is the same as layer pellets and THEY ARE NOT...each grain is formulated for that particular strain of animal...Some pellets have more this than that....layer pellets are for chickens that are laying eggs....LOTS OF EGGS...so they are for LAYERS......Game bird Pellets are for GAME BIRDS.....Game Birds need different vitamins then Pigeons. Turkey pellets are for Turkeys...to beef them up make them fat for market.
Do you feed you Dog Cat Food.....Do you feed wild bird mix on a continued basis to your pigeons....did I feed my Goats " Nurtina TOP GOAT" or Nutrina "Top Cow" Feeds...although they looked the same in appearance and the bad was pretty close on the vitamins....and the % was the same on protein...but they had subtle differences......and those subtle differences to make a difference in the long term.
Its kind of like us eating Mc Donalds everyday....it will have an affect in the long term.....get my point.
Rock and ROLL
Paul
Last Edited by on Apr 26, 2010 9:58 AM
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Pinwheel
231 posts
Apr 26, 2010
4:13 PM
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Good point. Couldn't agree more. THis post has prompted me to hopefully put together a comparison of all the gamebird feed, turkey feed, goat feed, pig feed and compare it to pigeon feed and find what has what and if there are deficiencies or excess to what a pigeon requires. Hopefully. UNfortunately, Id like to make it a top priority, but that wont be possible for another few weeks.
I know some feed pellets meant for other species and do fine. I just wonder how long is long until you notice effects of the diet.
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
804 posts
Apr 26, 2010
4:25 PM
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Paul... Last year nothing but Purina Nutra Blend Green breeders and kit birds,did a great job.Again you adjust amounts of pellets which is not hard to do.JDA
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fhtfire
2519 posts
Apr 26, 2010
9:53 PM
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Pinwheel....
Some of the differences in feed are very subtle...it could be a little bit more of this or that...or there may be a seed or two of something that can get your birds all jacked up. SOme have high iron or lower iron...or what have you.
Its not that I think your birds will get messed up and start laying nine eggs or mess with overall health....I am talking about when you are training for comp..or even trying to get the best performance...some seeds will ruin your team in a heart beat if your team is in great shape....some seeds will make them fly fast some slow...ect ect...As far as the babies....who knows the long term affects of getting more iron than needed or more Salts...or vitamins...or proteins or certain types of proteins...because not all proteins are equal.
What made me think of this was back in my youth I had a 4-H leader..that was also an animal scientist for Antibodies INC....anyway....He studied feeds and proteins ect..at the scientific level.....anyway..he always told me that the feed companies make sure that each type of feed is blended and made for a specific species and a specific need of the animal....Layer pellets well...they are juiced to make a chicken lay an egg more often then normal....and gives them the extra nutrients to be able to lay more eggs without the body becoming weak.....same for the birds...
All I know is that I used pellets for game cocks because i was totally out of feed and needed pellets bad and said what the hell..the tags were pretty close...some differences.....my birds flew so fast on them and so high....and when I cut them back to fly good....they started losing weight big time....made the birds WAY to strong....but I guess Fighting Chickens need to be strong..they also flew for a LONG time.....again...I am assuming you want fighting chickens to have stamina....so...the subtle differences was enough to mess my birds performance up.
Just like Red Cell....its for horses....very HIGH IN IRON..horses need LOTS of iron....yes we use if for pigeons..but not very often and for not very long....is juices your pigeons....BIG TIME...to much and they will fly for about 8 hrs....and you may lose them to an overfly...or if they are at a certain point it will also make them to active....same vitamins as Pro Vital...but some vitamins are higher in the red Cell....and it affects the birds..
Just my thoughts.....I just feel and have been told the tag says what it says for a reason...the feeds are blended for the type of animal, use of animal and needs of the animal for the use....
rock and ROLL
Paul
Kind of like...you dont feed a roller what you would feed a homer when you are preparing both for a comp...both are pigeons...bot are performance...bot have different needs.
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toughrollers
318 posts
Apr 27, 2010
3:12 AM
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Hi All
Paul you have hit the nail on the head with your post 2516 and 2519 on pellet feeding.
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Pinwheel
232 posts
Apr 27, 2010
5:57 AM
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Yep, as long as it is published you should be able to determine the amino acid composition of seed and whats in the pellets. Id actually might take a small bit of it and look purely at the amino acid composition and see what foods are either deficient or toxic in amino acids( i.e. corn is deficient in methionine in general) so depending on the life stage of animal or species, then you will need to add another seed that has methionine in it to make up for corns lacking if appropriate for that animal. So what is appropriate amino acid composition for pigeons is the question, and maybe we can make head way and figure this stuff out. At least for growing and building muscle, you want the right amino acids in the right quantities and quality.
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