PAUL R.
44 posts
Apr 16, 2009
10:04 PM
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Its sad, but true. When a person dies due to not having oxygen to the brain for about 4-minutes & is brought back and doesnt wake up and has brain movement, but is considered a vegetable. Have you heard of individuals actually have recovered from being in this state of mind?
I have a decision to make in a week, either to keep him alive or let him go.
Paul Ramirez
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RodSD
224 posts
Apr 16, 2009
11:28 PM
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Was there someone in the news one time when this person woke up after years in a comma?
Don't be in a hurry in making this decision. It is not a pigeon culling thing. When my uncle got a stroke, everyone decided to just let him die, but the son insisted no. Well, he woke up, and semi-recovered--obviously paralyzed.
Such decision is hard to do. If there is money problem, it is even worse. "Pulling the plug," is a nerve wracking thing. Doctors usually tell you when there is no more hope.
How old is this person? How much damage is in the brain? How long was this person in a comma? There is always that hope of recovery, but depending on the damage, usually it is hopeless.
I think you have to weigh in everything and give the person all hope and chance before pulling the plug.
ps. A brain dead person is technically dead. Only the machine is keeping that person alive. And because the brain's nerve system usually don't repair themselves, it is almost hopeless. I feel your pain.
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pat66
324 posts
Apr 17, 2009
4:14 AM
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Paul, you and your family are in my prayers! ask GOD to guide you!
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Pat
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0221
186 posts
Apr 17, 2009
4:40 AM
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Paul,
I certainly don't have the answers as what to do. I pray, God be with You, and give wisdom in this decision. I the Name of Jesus Christ, are Lord and savior, Amen.
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Pumpkin Man
87 posts
Apr 17, 2009
5:33 AM
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Lots of factors to consider like Rod said. My father was the designee in our family to make the call on pulling the plug on my grandfather, I never saw my dad so tore up in his life and he's a pretty tough guy. We all told dad we didn't blame him and would support his decision. After much deliberation my dad came down to the decision that he couldn't ask his father to fight for something that he couldn't win. In our situation the surgery grandpa underwent was an elective surgery that was supposed to increase his quality of life. He walked into the hospital and due to complications did not come out. It was a very frustrating thing for all of us and a HUGE loss to our family. On the positive side though which is what we had to keep thinking about, he had 80 years, a great life, a great family, and he didn't spend the last years of his life sitting around suffering. I'm sure it's a tough situation for you, I hope you have a close knit-family that's the only thing that got us through it.
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PAUL R.
45 posts
Apr 17, 2009
6:07 AM
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RodSD,
Do you know how long was the person without breathing? And how much paralization are we talking about? My father is 72 years old, most of his brothers and sisters tend to live upto 90 years of age and his parents lived past 100. I dont know how much damage he has, only that he should have woken up once they had controlled his potassium.
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
1868 posts
Apr 17, 2009
6:42 AM
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Paul,
That is one of the hardest decisions that any of us will ever have to face. There are many, many things you can consider and many, many questions to ask. If I had to make a decision like yours, I would think about quality of life vs length of life. What would you want your family to do if you were in the same position? Get several medical opinions from doctors with experience in these matters. And of course, seek spiritual guidance. My prayers will also be with you, for the wisdom you will need.
Cliff
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az-je
55 posts
Apr 17, 2009
12:55 PM
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Our heartfelt prayers are with you as our family just went thru something similar. It's really hard to be the bystander, to "Let Go and Let God" (and the patient) handle things. The suffering was not worth prolonging his life, said that he was tired of living after 94 years, so my Father-in-law chose die and he did so very peacefully. Hang in there.
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gentle johnnie
21 posts
Apr 17, 2009
1:16 PM
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Paul yes i remember it well as if it were yesterday some 36 years ago my Mother had a massive stroke she lasted a week we were about to pull plug but God answered our prayers and let her go just min. before the doctor was going in to her room- yes it is hard thing to do I say talk to God ask for wisdom and grace He will answer you. "GOD BLESS you and yours " you are in my prayers
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Gentle Johnnie "Angels of the Sky Loft"
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katyroller
372 posts
Apr 17, 2009
1:50 PM
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Paul, I'm sorry to hear about your situation. The only advise I can offer is to pray for guidance. Your prayers will be answered! Tracey
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Norm_Knox
307 posts
Apr 17, 2009
2:28 PM
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Paul my thoughts and prayers are with you. May God guide you in all of your decisions. Me and my family will pray for you and your family. Very sorry to hear about your situation. May God be with you.
Norm
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N/A Loft
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BA Rollers
224 posts
Apr 17, 2009
2:45 PM
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Very sorry to hear that Paul. That's one of the decisions in life none of us want to be faced with making. Having spent a week in ICU with my son and his cousin, I learned a lot about comas. It seems that many of the people I talked to said that typically coma patients don't come out for several weeks. Sometimes its soon, often it is later, but many times I heard that 20+ day thing. Brain activity is a good sign. I would recommend reading up on the different stages of brain trama and comas. I learned there are six stages, 6 being the least severe and 1 being the worst severe (veg). If the patient is posturing (making fists and wrenching the arms inward) that is posturing and as I read and was told, that is "usually" a sign of brain damage/veg.
God speed brother.
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SiDLoVE
408 posts
Apr 17, 2009
6:04 PM
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When my grandma passed away, She was laying at the hospital alive with equipment keeping her alive. She could stay alive but her brain i was told was like a vegtable. Her children made the hard decision to pull the plug cause they'd rather not have her suffer staying alive with her brain not functioning.I stayed on her side till her last heart beat praying .
Shes in a better place now and she loved the Lord.
Paul every scenario is diffrent ill pray for God to guide you in your decision.Keep the Faith.
Sidlove
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2865 posts
Apr 17, 2009
8:24 PM
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Paul I pray for peace to you and your family at a time like this and that he helps you with your decision..
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Ralph.
The greatest use of your life is so you live your life so that the use of your life will outlive your life, In other words what you going to leave behind legacy or Dust....
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RodSD
227 posts
Apr 17, 2009
8:39 PM
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Paul,
I don't know how long, but it seemed that even the doctors had given up given that this was in Asia. Obviously there was a family meeting to discuss the matter. Almost everyone decided to "pull" the plug except the son who doesn't want any of that. So they waited for more weeks until my uncle woke up. Half of his body is paralyzed so he is in a wheelchair now. But he lives and to the amazement of many. Now the son is telling them "I told you so." As I have said, give the person all benefit of chance and hope. My prayers are with you. Sometimes miracles happen.
My grandmother was even a fighter. She suffered stroke, family said we don't have money and let her die, but she woke up. Couple of years later, she ended up with a heart attack, but woke up again. Then another stroke couple of years later, but came back again. Until the final one where she didn't make it. All she ever wanted was for me to visit her. Damn! I feel guilty now. My grandmother's line is on the long side. Her line seems to be of those people that live a long time.
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PAUL R.
46 posts
Apr 18, 2009
10:03 PM
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I would like to say thanks to all that have responded. And thanks Brian for the info on what you said : If the patient is posturing (making fists and wrenching the arms inward) that is posturing and as I read and was told, that is "usually" a sign of brain damage/veg.
Thanks again to all.
Paul Ramirez
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Indy
61 posts
Apr 19, 2009
4:07 AM
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Paul
My thoughts and prayers are with you. The only thing I can tell you is to get all of the information you can and pray for guidance.
John
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toronto15
162 posts
Apr 19, 2009
4:59 AM
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Divine Duty Paul, Chin up, stiff upper lip. God Bless.Glen.
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PAUL R.
49 posts
May 14, 2009
10:03 PM
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On 05-05-2009 , It seems like my DAD decided that it was time to move on to a better place. Services were held on 05-09-09 for him.
I thank all of your support, comments and for all of those who called.
Paul Ramirez
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Electric-man
2334 posts
May 14, 2009
10:14 PM
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God bless your family Paul!
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Val
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Victor Hurtado
40 posts
May 14, 2009
11:32 PM
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BLESS UR FAMILY PAUL U A GOOD MAN IF WASNT FOR U ID BE WITH ONLY LIL BIT OF BIRDS.. u kinda gave me that push.
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KiddenAround
299 posts
May 15, 2009
12:00 AM
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Oh, Paul, so sorry you're strapped with this awesome, heavy burden. I had the same thing happen to me with my father, and before I fully understood the situation, I instintively told them to do whatever it took to save his life. They were thawing platelets to give him when his blood pressure and heartbeat began to drop, drop, drop. I stood over his bed and watched him die, trying to figure out how to save him.
Be sure to fill out a living will and get everyone in your family to do the same so that you will leave your loved ones in peace -- if you knew he wanted to be let go in this situation, it would be easier for you. You would simply grant him his wish and release him from this life.
My kids know that if my cancer ever comes back, I want to be let go . . . I'm way too active to be happy living in a wheelchair . . . just let me go . . .
Prayers and hugs to you, Paul. You'll find the strength, courage and guidance when the time is right.
Warmly,
-- Laura
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RodSD
247 posts
May 15, 2009
1:20 AM
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My condolence to you and to your family. May your father rests in peace.
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katyroller
399 posts
May 15, 2009
12:59 PM
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Paul, Sorry to hear of your loss. Tracey
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2946 posts
May 15, 2009
4:03 PM
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Paul sorry to hear of your lost may he RIP and my condolence goes out to you and your family.peace..---------
Ralph.
The greatest use of your life is so you live your life so that the use of your life will outlive your life, In other words what you going to leave behind legacy or Dust....
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