JC
2 posts
Apr 18, 2009
9:43 AM
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Does it make a difference if the roller carries his wings (while not flying) above or below the tail. This is my second year. Last year was not good. Birds would not kit, or come when called in or kit. So far this year calling them in works better. Kitting is better at first but then they seperate into a couple groups. I can only fly 10 at a time because my city only allows 10 birds per house. Flying time is 30-60+ minutes unless I super starve them. I'm learning.
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0221
189 posts
Apr 18, 2009
9:59 AM
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Most everybody would say above the wings. Most rollers do, It keeps there flights clean, better than dragging them around on the ground, flight want to be in good condition. Does it affect there performance I'd say, I've seen both perform well.
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wishiwon2
179 posts
Apr 20, 2009
3:59 PM
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I believe it does make a difference. Low wing carriage is a sign or symptom of weak back muscles. The muscling in the back isnt strong or adequate enough to carry the wing properly. Strong back muscles are necessary for top quality, high velocity spinning. I can forgive or overlook it in an old breeder, but not in a young healthy bird. Another sign of similar weakness is a drooping tail. A bird with weak back may itself be a decent peformer, but it is a trait you should breed away from, not towards.
On your kitting. I prefer to fly larger groups of young together, like 20 or 30. Especially when they are young and developing. A lrger sized kit seems to be more of a draw for them to have something to kit with. I would also be very careful about flying them as a unique group or assemblage. It takes time for a kit to gel together, even more so for young birds. Try to keep them similar ages and dont switch them around alot. Some switching is justified as different birds need different feed and fly management, but dot do it regularly. Pigeons are a communal bird, they have a favorite place in the loft and in the air. They recognize their kitmates and have preferences there too I believe.
However, a non kitter is a non kitter and such are garbage. Give them adequate time to gain physical/mental strength to join and stay with a kit. Manage them wisely and cull those that wont fly with a team. I promise you, you will be further ahead in the long run, hard as it may seem.
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Jon
"had fun, wish i won 2"
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Scott
2090 posts
Apr 20, 2009
7:05 PM
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I agree Jon
(I believe it does make a difference. Low wing carriage is a sign or symptom of weak back muscles)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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JC
4 posts
Apr 20, 2009
10:40 PM
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I have also noticed in my kit birds that the majority hold their winds at or above the tail. However after a fly the majority hold their wings below the tail. Is this normal due to them being tried????
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Ty Coleman
634 posts
Apr 21, 2009
4:34 AM
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Scott may be correct but I think it could be a rec gene from the origonal formation of the breed myself. I have a stock cock 1995-085 that is droop wing. He has yet to produce another droop wing. If the oriental roller was used in the formation of the breed, which we will never know, it would stand to reason being all OR's are droopwing.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
Last Edited by on Apr 21, 2009 4:34 AM
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Scott
2097 posts
Apr 21, 2009
6:09 AM
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JC , exactly , you will also notice it with old birds.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Apr 21, 2009 6:11 AM
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pigeon pete
286 posts
Apr 21, 2009
8:35 AM
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When a pigeon is rolling properly, it's wings are mostly held very low ( touching in front of its chest at some point.) Older birds, and tired birds will often droop the wings a bit. The strength of the back is needed mostly on the down stroke, so it's suprising that we dont get more droopers, especially with birds that have good H or tighter style. I think it is over-stretched ligaments, as much as weak muscles.
It could also be a little bit of high tone in the downstroke muscles. That sometimes occurs with birds that have just landed and you may notice that they hold the tail high. Once they have relaxed the tail resumes its normal position.
Pete.
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