yang501424
250 posts
Apr 18, 2009
1:36 PM
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I was wondering does the speed of how fast the birds are flying have any affect on the speed of their roll?
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155
1016 posts
Apr 18, 2009
4:16 PM
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In the words of William H. Pensom, "The Birmingham Roller is noted for its exclusive ability to turn over backwards and rotate with inestimable speed for considerable distances downwards." This 8 ounce feathered friend is genetically programmed to flip backwards, provided adequate training, diet, and exercise. The spinning can appear to be so fast that the bird looks like a ball of feathers falling toward the ground. They recover from the spin and return to their flock, called a “kit” in competition. The pigeon continues to do the same acrobatics with regular frequency, often in unison with other birds in the kit. The frequency, depth, style, tightness of roll, and angle are all determined by careful and methodical breeding. The flight time, height of flight, and responsiveness to the trainer's commands are all determined by strict training and diet, along with consistent daily routine.
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EVILLOFT'S
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Scott
2052 posts
Apr 18, 2009
4:35 PM
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If, I slow their wingbeat down too much my birds will roll much softer,too fast and they stiffen and shorted up the roll.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
381 posts
Apr 18, 2009
4:46 PM
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My experience is pretty much the same as Scott's.
The faster they fly, the stiffer they are. If the come out ,set up a nice figure 8 with a butterfly wing action then the show is on. If they come out and race around in S pattern at mach 1 then it is going to be a bad show.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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Spin City USA
211 posts
Apr 18, 2009
9:12 PM
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I usually like to see my kit fly slower than faster. I have seen what Scott said about flying too slow. I just started feeding Austrian Peas and saw a dramatic change in the quality of spin. The birds got tighter and faster. The birds were flying a little faster and going into the spin a lot harder and they did shorten up the spin on the deeper birds. It did not seem to bother the frequency. I used to feed safflower and wanted to try the peas. I am going to get some safflower again and see what the difference is going to be in this family.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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Velo99
2096 posts
Apr 19, 2009
8:13 PM
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Confucious say: Fly slow like butterfly,spin fast like ball, be one with the kit.
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V99
blue sky single beat
in cadance performing now
earth beckons the winged
drawn breath is let quickly forth
orchestral movement follows
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
386 posts
Apr 20, 2009
6:43 AM
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Very wise Kenny. Didn't know Confucious spent a lot of time in West Texas. LMAO
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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wishiwon2
183 posts
Apr 20, 2009
9:59 PM
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Yang in my experience, no, the speed of flight has little or no effect on the speed of the roll, but as noted by these other guys, it does have a significant effect on how often and how deep they roll.
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Jon
"had fun, wish i won 2"
If it were easy, everybody would do it ...
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Scott
2098 posts
Apr 21, 2009
6:14 AM
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When I slow the wing beat down where they beat like a butterfly I loose all quality and speed with my birds, I want them where they just don't bow back.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Apr 21, 2009 6:15 AM
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pigeon pete
288 posts
Apr 21, 2009
4:04 PM
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Hi,
I think it's a fine balance between slow flying and weak flying. When my birds are too strong and fast they will sometimes put in a few quality breaks but they do tend to be shorter, and although they may roll quite fast there is a flickering quality to the roll.
When they are weak the roll can bee too deep and 'wingy'. When they are just about coming off the fast flying habit, and take a little longer to rise into the air is when I get the best rolling. They break together better and they commit to the roll better.
This state can be reached by almost flying the roll out of them (but still keeping the flying time down to around 30-40 minutes. Then they have got fit, lost a little of the roll impetus by constant flying, and are starting to weaken. From this point on you need to know your birds, and what sort of condition they are in. Some kits will come back on the roll with a boost in feed and 2 days rest. others may need 3 or 4 days, wheras others will have gone past it in 3 days.
If you get it right they will fly steady, but roll with good velocity and be keen to perform after the lay-off.
That is bringing them down a bit in condition and then boosting them physicaly and mentaly with rest and feed.
Slowly bringing them down to the slow flying style but maintaining the quality of the roll is difficult to do if you want them to perform well on any given day, (competition day for example) but can work just as well as boosting them, but you have time it right, and most flyers adjust the type/amount of feed too drasticly to have that amount of control over them.
Some of the best breaks can come when the birds are flying slowly and a good pattern, and then they suddenly speed up to lift up above a hawk or Buzzard, and once they're clear of danger it's as though the adrenaline gives them a boost and they will often put in some great breaks. They do need waking up a bit sometimes,lol
Pete.
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