Lipper
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Apr 20, 2009
7:49 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
I have a hen that rolls 25-35 ft. and very fast. I counted 4 times a minute yesterday. She gets back to the kit last and seems to be in the back all the time. I am wondering if she is triggering the rest of the kit to be too hot? She is 8 months old and I have been flying her daily for about 4 months..
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Scott
2064 posts
Apr 20, 2009
7:51 AM
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Mike, feed her up on some peas to give her a little more resistance.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Tony Chavarria
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3253 posts
Apr 20, 2009
8:06 AM
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Mike, the others are flying too fast? Try slowing them down with a 50/50 wheat/milo mix. See if lowering the wheat and increasing the milo by the same amount will get the kit flying a bit slower.
Combined with Scott's suggestion, you might find that she is just fine. Good luck!
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Lipper
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522 posts
Apr 20, 2009
8:08 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Scott, I have been having a hard time with the kit being I believe too active. Spinning here and everywhere and not getting together real well. I put them on straight wheat and they seem to be calming down a bit. I will try her on the peas and see what happens. Thanks!
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Lipper
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523 posts
Apr 20, 2009
8:12 AM
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Mike Trevis
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Thanks Tony!
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Tony Chavarria
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3254 posts
Apr 20, 2009
8:45 AM
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Mike, give her time to mature. Try shaking things up, pull her for a few days and see what happens.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Ballrollers
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1886 posts
Apr 20, 2009
9:57 AM
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Mike,
I would do as Scotty has suggested, and also maybe give her a few days rest and fly her every other day and see how she does. Like any other athlete, proper rest and nutrition needs to be included in their exercise program. Keep us posted. She is probably one of those birds that you can take either way, depending on how you handle her. But I doubt she is having the effect of causing the rest of the kit to be too hot.....I haven't seen one bird capable of doing that to a kit.
Cliff
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Scott
2069 posts
Apr 20, 2009
11:09 AM
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Mike, this is what makes it so hard, I am fighting my demons right now which I will detail out later as some might make find it interesting and possibly learn something.
What I want to do with kits like that is fly the roll down or out of them, also feed richer to build them up, activity kits do well under weak judges but not good quality judges, feed up this one suspect bird ,if she still doesnt gain control yank her out of the team until she does.
Onece you fly the roll completly out (get strong) rest 3 days or so to restimulate for fly day.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Lipper
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Apr 20, 2009
11:14 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Scott, I would like to hear what you are going thru in your birds, when ever your ready..I picked up a bag of "Flying tumbler feed" and have been feeding my young birds this. It's got everything in it..Should I feed her this or stick to the peas you suggested?
Thanks
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Scott
2079 posts
Apr 20, 2009
4:53 PM
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Ok Mike here you go, first the core of my team got cut down due to stocking and pulling two suspect as far as workrate.
It put me down to 12,but these 12 are special, about two monthes ago I added the cream of my 08 birds, then flew them hard for 5 days straight and then put them on a three day schedule, I mean it really came together.
Then we got hammered with weather,then wind then weather, I made a mistake by not flying the 08s with the other yb teams, my old birds need a solid thumb on them and don't need to fly often.
Now I just have a solid mess, to top it off I have a sneaky coop and lost a two year old bird that would take your breath away at times, she was a true loss, then I lost a solid 08 , and had one of my old birds pull a bad shot.
So I added a few birds 08s and pulled a few that are a problem, now no team work , ok lets think, so this morning I pull the core and a few 08s that have hung tough , this gives me 13, then I added a old hen that has been in another team, she is only 15 ft or so but zippy and has flown with the team forever until a few mo. ago, thats 14, then I pulled in one that has been in the team that I moved out, the extra days of fly time in the YB team has helped, she is a little gamble but I feel good about her and she knows the team, that is 15 , I moved in one that has never flowed in the team, it is a nice bird and I don't think that it will hurt the team, it will be the only odd man, that makes 16 .
15 birds is the min allowed, but with 15 no out birds are allowed as you can't go below 15 , so the odd bird makes 16 and is my resoning behing useing it.
Now I also have the old hen that bumped, no swollen head or eye or stiff tail, she flew yesterday but dropped out after trying hard to hang, so I am resting her a few days and then I will fly her with the young birds Thurday and Friday to make sure shes ok.
But then I'm also thinking also that this is the prelems, why gamble, still got a good solid core, if I get through this than I have a month to build, buddy we make our own luck, and this is what I truelly enjoy, easy it aint.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Apr 20, 2009 5:03 PM
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jnyce
679 posts
Apr 20, 2009
5:08 PM
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it seems to me that you got a handle on things scott so no big problem just a few minor set backs
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Norm_Knox
313 posts
Apr 20, 2009
8:03 PM
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Scott its funny how these birds react to changes and throw us off. Like Jerry said, it looks like you got very good control over them. Good luck and may you whoop some arse. LOL
Norm
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Ty Coleman
635 posts
Apr 21, 2009
7:45 PM
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Mike, is this bird in the same family of the rest of your rollers or is it from another family ? Some family's are so different they want work together, wing speed, hight of flying, control by feeding and so forth. If it's within the family and I realy liked the bird and it did catch up to speed it would be a dedicated kit bird and never have a chance to make my stock loft. I note any bird that shows a problem and mark them as dedicated kit birds. I don't want a loft full of the problems down the road.
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Ty
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Last Edited by on Apr 21, 2009 7:50 PM
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fresnobirdman
561 posts
Apr 21, 2009
8:13 PM
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if its rolling in the back, its not going to trigger the kit.
like norm reed said,"back birds are no good, their rolling by them self"
im not sure if thats exactly what he said, but close.
-fou
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macsrollers
52 posts
Apr 21, 2009
10:47 PM
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4 times a minute at 8 months old and been flown daily for 4 months. No wonder it rolls from the back of the kit. Good advice from those saying give it some good food and rest. This could end up being a nice bird as it matures, but it needs to be managed better. One of the best things I learned from Don Ouellette when he visited and judged my kit for a fly was that we must learn to manage each of our kit as individuals, not just make a feed adjustment for all by throwing whatever in a tray. This young bird is telling you it needs some rest and is ready to be moved up to your main competition team and be flown every 2 or 3 days. I have ruined many a good bird by mis-managing it as I didn't have the experience and knowledge to know how to manage my individual performers. This bird can be a good lesson for all of us. Either it is too frequent to stay with the kit or it is being overworked. Proper management will prove the bird out. It would be great if we could breed all easy to manage birds that perform no matter what, but birds are like individual atheletes. They can't perform at their best all the time and need rest, different types of food, etc. to be at their best. Good post for all to learn from. Thanks for sharing . Don M. Mac's Rollers LVRC
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Lipper
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544 posts
Apr 22, 2009
8:39 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Ty, I have three families and know what you are saying. I have been able to fly them together pretty well except for one family I pretty much have to fly alone..I do however have a few from this family in with the bunch that are doing well..
I agree totally with you Don M...I really like her and took the advice from all here to feed her up and give her a bit of rest..We will see in about an hour if there is any progress..Thanks All..
Mike, is this bird in the same family of the rest of your rollers or is it from another family ? Some family's are so different they want work together, wing speed, hight of flying, control by feeding and so forth. If it's within the family and I realy liked the bird and it did catch up to speed it would be a dedicated kit bird and never have a chance to make my stock loft. I note any bird that shows a problem and mark them as dedicated kit birds. I don't want a loft full of the problems down the road.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Scott
2101 posts
Apr 22, 2009
1:04 PM
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Honestly Mike I don't put much stock in such birds, they are something that I just keep flying to see what happens, but in the end most either get a handle on the roll or they just fall apart or hit a point where they wont kit or fly.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Lipper
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547 posts
Apr 23, 2009
12:08 AM
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Hey scott, I am at about half the birds I started with a few months back.I still feel I was right in how I went about things.I will be able to fly the WC after getting back in November...I am also encouraged that you are having some issues as well..I mean this in a good way..It is and always will be a struggle..I feel that by getting all the birds I did I gave myself a better chance of having something to fly this soon..I do have more to discuss with you when I am not on this blackberry..
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
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sp 19
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Apr 23, 2009
6:04 PM
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Lipper do not be to harsh on young birds they go through many development changes.I now know after 40 years that I culled a lot of good birds being young and wanting fast results the pressure should not fall on babies to perform to your satisfaction that is for your holdover kits relaxe with the youngsters I once had two blue bar nest mates that came late in the year to both roll down from any distance normally in them days being a hot head roller guy I would have culled them both but because of thier speed I let them cull themselves well they flew for many years in my coop and I would consider them short spinners so don't be tough on youngsters relax they will go through many changes
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Lipper
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552 posts
Apr 24, 2009
11:13 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
I have been feeding this hen full feed and flew her twice with a day off in between, it has helped..She is just too frequent right now, going to give her some time and see what happens..
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Scott
2111 posts
Apr 24, 2009
12:24 PM
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Mike, it is a constant struggle,myself and Don Oullette which is one of this countries greatest flyers was just talking recently about how frigging hard it is , but at the same time ios what makes it so interesting trying to get it all together.
Well tomorrow is where the rubber meets the road, I think that they are right,but then I could crash and burn in a firey crash also LOL
(...I am also encouraged that you are having some issues as well..I mean this in a good way..It is and always will be a struggle.)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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JDA
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247 posts
Apr 24, 2009
12:35 PM
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Scott I do wish you good luck with your kit tomorrow. No I mean it!! and every one else who is flying. Yours in the sport JDA
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Lipper
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556 posts
Apr 24, 2009
12:35 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Scott good luck tomorrow..My turn is coming the end of May..I am just hoping for a score..LOL
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PR_rollers
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2897 posts
Apr 24, 2009
2:15 PM
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Good luck Scott...
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