Oldfart
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960 posts
Apr 20, 2009
12:46 PM
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Hey All, I was reminded of this subject while handling one of my young birds. The premise is that some of the best spinners seem to vibrate when held loosely in hand. When I first read this theory I went into a darkened loft and tried it. At the time I thought it might be possible but dark or not I think I knew which bird I held and how it preformed making my estimation biased. This year is unique for me. I have condensed my breeding program to the prodgy from one cock and two hens. So all my birds are on an equal footing and their young have not been flown as of today. I intend to hold each young bird in the kit box and note if they vibrate or not. Then track their performance for two years if possible. Hocus Pocus? I don't know. Has anyone tried this or anything simular? What do you think of the concept?
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0221
213 posts
Apr 20, 2009
1:05 PM
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I always fly mine until my neck vibrate's. I'm sure there are lots of things that have worked for lots of people. If I want to know if a pair will produce, I mate them together, If I want to know if a bird is a good roller,I fly it out. I'm just not smart enough to do it any other way.
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Oldfart
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961 posts
Apr 20, 2009
1:49 PM
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Hey Al, I fly mine and pair my breeders according to performance. But, what if given the choice between two birds equal in all aspects except, that from prior knowledge I can determine one will be more consistent or be more likely to produce superior if it vibrates in hand. I'm not saying it will or even could but why not investigate? Any means of bettering my stock or just thinking about how, can only help. If I gain nothing but more experience, I gain.
Thom
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0221
214 posts
Apr 20, 2009
3:02 PM
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Thom,
I hear you. I just don't put any stock in it, If you could pick them on eye sign,keel length,vibration, size,color, weight or even pedigree, I have to admit, it would save some time. I know guys that have bred pedigree inside out,95% percent of those guys, couldn't fly a kite. There are those that spend all day squeezing pigeon's, looking in there eyes and still you have to fly them to know. Its a hobby, and do what makes you happy in the hobby. But don't be bummed out if you don't discover anything. You learn something new everyday, I have to admit lateley its been what not to do. Have fun.
Last Edited by on Apr 20, 2009 3:18 PM
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Oldfart
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962 posts
Apr 20, 2009
3:36 PM
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Hey Al, I agree with, from the air. I'm not and never will be the pigeon guru and I really do not expect to find any magic bullet. Also I will never breed by pedigree! I'm just in a learning process. I am willing to think about any possibility. The older I get the more I learn that some of my preconceptions are wrong, so I'm rethinking and I hope learning. As before and always, nothing but the best for you and yours.
Thom
Last Edited by on Apr 20, 2009 3:37 PM
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Roll Down
60 posts
Apr 22, 2009
8:46 PM
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Oldfart, good question!
I have held a champion homer that quivered or "vibrated" while being held.
A top homer man showed me this and said that it was the mark of a good homer.
Never thought to try it on rollers, but I will look for it in future.
Geo. D.
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Oldfart
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964 posts
Apr 23, 2009
7:38 PM
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Roll Down, Keep searching!
Thom
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pigeon pete
289 posts
Apr 24, 2009
5:35 AM
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An old racing guy told me it is a sign of supper health/fitness. Before he basketed his birds for a race he would look to see which one's had the quivers and if they had good previous form at the distance he was sending them, he would send those birds and put his money on them. (he did tend to win a fair bit).
Pete.
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Oldfart
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965 posts
Apr 24, 2009
10:25 AM
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Hey Pete, That makes more sense then as an indicator of their ability to roll. Healthy birds would have a better chance of reaching the full potential. Thanks for the input!
Thom
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pacos bill
85 posts
Apr 26, 2009
10:19 AM
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Way Way back in the mid 1950 as a kid buying birds un-flown and of mixed breeding because many breeds were kept in one open loft we had to pick by sight only.
We would look for birds that vibrated in the loft or cage also a dare devil pearl eye would usually be a roller, I never saw an orange eyed bird roll in those days and was shocked the first time I did.
It was our finding that a vibrating bird would be the hotter roller if it rolled (at all)
I still use this method when buying unproven stock birds and has worked more often that it has failed
(an old wife’s tale maybe) but when in pinch I use this method even today.
Pacos Bill
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gotspin7
2380 posts
Apr 26, 2009
11:40 AM
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The best ones I have ever picked up winked at me when I held them in my hand....lol... B.S.. Aside to me the calm ones have been the best ones at my loft.
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Sal Ortiz
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pacos bill
86 posts
Apr 26, 2009
9:36 PM
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Good point the best bird will always crap on your hand as they know you won’t do a thing like removing their head
Pacos Bill
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