black_hawk_down
198 posts
Apr 27, 2009
6:36 PM
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well hi all, i got a young bird that i've been flying and its one of the fastest, i mean FASTEST bird i have ever seen in my loft. it just got into the roll and well the thing is it bumps when the kit is flying low. what can i do to help out this bird? and would you breed a bird like this at this point(bumping) in your loft? it is off from my best pair. thanks. -joe v.
Last Edited by on Apr 27, 2009 6:37 PM
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donnie james
413 posts
Apr 27, 2009
7:03 PM
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hay joe, how old is it???????is it going though the molt????????? maybe you need to lock it up for a few days an then refly and the feed it up a little.............try all of these................donny james
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j .wanless
749 posts
Apr 28, 2009
7:44 AM
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hi all
try flying it with your old birds maybe they lift a little higher than your y/brds.if its any good it will learn not to roll when so low or it will kill itself.no matter how fast it is if its bumping all the time its no good for the stock loft.
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2904 posts
Apr 28, 2009
8:46 AM
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I usually rest my birds that are constantly bumpers for a month and like Donnie says feeding them up to give them time to mature but keep records also..its like a kid going joyriding and crashes sometimes they don't recover from it so you take away their license until they ready again..good luck..
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Ballrollers
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1903 posts
Apr 28, 2009
9:06 AM
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joe v.
Give him some time. He'll either deteriorate and cull himself, or he will mature physically and mentally, enough to control the roll and make a good bird for you.
Cliff
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sundance
1109 posts
Apr 28, 2009
2:52 PM
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Id try locking it up for a week and feed it all it wants. Then fly it and see what happens.
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ezeedad
957 posts
Apr 28, 2009
4:59 PM
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Maybe it could do better with more feed. I agree with Butch. Also there is often the age when they are more reckless, then they may stabilize. But bumping low is a very serious problem to me, and if you breed from birds like that it usually comes back to haunt you...again and again.. As much as I love speed, I'd have to say have fun trying to fly it, continue to breed the parents to get a equally fast, or almost as fast, but safe one.
Paul G
Last Edited by on Apr 28, 2009 5:01 PM
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viper
63 posts
Apr 28, 2009
7:50 PM
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Ask yourself do I want more like it?I would not put it in stock cause theres better ones and they are the ones that don't bump.Blake
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black_hawk_down
199 posts
Apr 29, 2009
11:35 AM
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maybe if i ask and reword my question i'll get a different perspective on this...well here it goes... "Have YOU ever stocked a bird that has bumped when it was younger?" It's young i know for sure. dont know how old exactly have to look in my notes but i dont think its going through the molt. thanks for the good stuff and info guys apreciate it. -joe v.
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0221
245 posts
Apr 29, 2009
11:55 AM
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Thats really a tuff question to answer. how often does this happen? Does it do it comming out of the box from excitment or when landing? You say its bumping in your loft. Thats scary. The first answer would be no. But I'm sure everybody's had a bird that went to the breeding coop make at least one mistake. The call is really yours. Good luck.
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black_hawk_down
200 posts
Apr 29, 2009
1:46 PM
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yes it is a really hard issue for me also. it is not one of those rollers who roll down and have characteristics of roll downs that roll down out of the kit box or coming in to land because of excitement. as i mentioned before it is young and just started to really come into the roll, deep too, and keeps on bumping itself when the kit is flying low. its a star in the air but has that minor problem of bumping...of course there's a difference between roll downs, which positively aren't breed in the stock loft at all times, and difference between bumpers, which is another story of it's own. -joe v.
Last Edited by on Apr 29, 2009 1:47 PM
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Scott
2121 posts
Apr 30, 2009
8:12 AM
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Truely good pigeons leave no questions to ask about, but being too hard is not the answer either,but nor is babying them by locking them up.
Some birds will bump coming into the roll, but they should get over it quickly also, as for stocking, Not no but HELL NO , plus it is moraly wrong
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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glenn
253 posts
Apr 30, 2009
8:30 AM
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Hello:
Remmember if the bird is rolling with the right style if it hits anything it will not get up......just a thought...Glenn
If you breed out of a bumper it will come back to bite you in the ass
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Tony Chavarria
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3265 posts
Apr 30, 2009
9:00 AM
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I was trying to find a nice way to say what Glenn and Scott said...
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3408 posts
Apr 30, 2009
6:35 PM
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I don't care how fast, deep, or perfect the roll bumping pretty well nullifies all of it. Especially for the stock loft. Same can be said about a non-kitter.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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black_hawk_down
201 posts
May 05, 2009
4:05 PM
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"...morally wrong...", good point Scott, something that i should and everybody should ponder apon. thanks everybody again. -joe v.
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j .wanless
757 posts
May 06, 2009
9:06 AM
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hi all
nick siders as just hit the nail on the head.it does not matter how good it rolls when bumping regular it is not a stock bird.
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topnotch uk
463 posts
May 08, 2009
1:13 PM
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if the bird in question was that good if not the first but the 2nd time it rolled down the bird would have been dead fast rollers seldom get back up never mind stoking it kill-it
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Hector Coya
482 posts
May 08, 2009
2:16 PM
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A week before the W/C prelemanarys,i cut the feed way down,put them on wheat only,i had 4 bump that never did that before,none got up and flew,all 4 died on impact.Thats when you know they where rolling fast.
Hector Coya-SGVS
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Scott
2137 posts
May 08, 2009
2:44 PM
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Sorry guys but I disagree,all it means is that they are completly locked up and can't unlock out of it and puts them in a more dangerous positition,nothing more.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on May 08, 2009 3:03 PM
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0221
254 posts
May 08, 2009
2:54 PM
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If I cut My best birds to low. they'll stop rolling. My weak birds will start doing stupid stuff like bumping and rolling down.I say fly them hard and find out what you have before the comp. I should say, in My family.
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Scott
2138 posts
May 08, 2009
3:04 PM
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Same here.
(If I cut My best birds to low. they'll stop rolling. My weak birds will start doing stupid stuff like bumping and rolling down.I say fly them hard and find out what you have before the comp. I should say, in My family.)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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