juanrollers
279 posts
May 14, 2009
10:06 PM
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What do you think about breeding those hard color together? Have you done it before? How did the babies turn out? Will I possibly get a bunch of stiff birds? Thanks.
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donnie james
436 posts
May 14, 2009
10:20 PM
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i got 2 pairs red check cocks on blue check hens and the 2 red check cocks are brothers i think thats a nice mating and so far i got 2 red checks badges and a red check and blue check and 2 blue checks and a funning looking red check that looks like a dark meadle .............donny james
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macsrollers
71 posts
May 14, 2009
10:43 PM
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Color balance breeding is a good concept to use, once you know your family of birds and what they produce. So it really depends on where you are at in your program. The only way to find out is to breed em and fly em! Sometimes you can go too far one direction with color balance breeding and other times not far enough from generation to generation. It is all a learning experience that never ends. When William Pensom wrote it takes about 30 years to truly understand Rollers he knew what he was talking about. The learning never ends and that is what makes this hobby great! Good luck with your breeding!
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harrison
640 posts
May 15, 2009
2:09 AM
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Hi Juan.
At the moment I have a red check cock on a blue check hen.
They keep hatching the eggs out but dont seem to be raising the young and there just dieing.
I have let them go down again to see what happens this time.
The cock is 10 years old and still filling the eggs s I dont no whats going on.
I dont have a pair that I can put the eggs under o I would foster them as they are a great pair of pigeons.
My line of birds I can put what color I wish together and dont get stiffs for example I have a blue pide on a red pide and there young last year was second to none.
Good look yours in roll harrison uk hull.
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Bill C
347 posts
May 15, 2009
3:51 PM
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Hi Jaun, There is nothing wrong with that pairing at all. First of all. Not all blue check and red checks are all hard colors. It depend on the parrents and grand parrents of these birds. You can breed a badge and grizzle and get a blue check and still have soft feather. The same aplies to re-red,lavender and white. They too can be hard colors if their parrents were hard feather.
In most cases if your blue checks are coming from blue checks for several generations then they are more likely to be hard colors. But if the parrents were crossed with other colors and only one was blue check it could actually be a soft blue check.
Many guys breed from blue checks and blanks with only a few lavender or re-red and do very well in the big flies so dont worry about them going stiff on you. Feed them too much they will go stiff and over fly older birds that need rest and they will go stiff. People over do the stiff bird syndrome too much with rollers in my oppinion. Good luck with that pair, I hope you get a smoker out of them. Bill C
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Scott
2145 posts
May 15, 2009
4:01 PM
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The key is the charactor balancing not the color, although charactor will piggyback color or factors to some degree.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Bill C
348 posts
May 15, 2009
4:04 PM
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I looked at your profile and saw your birds. They are a fine looking lot. I am sure you will do good with them. Just keep flying the young until they come into the roll and then every other day once you have a good team together. You have grizzles and motles and badges and so on so you should not have a real problem with stiff birds if they all came out of the same loft. In fact you might get some of your best birds from the red checks? Every family seems to throw good ones from a few differnt colors. Maybe its blacks or white flights or red checks or blue checks. You will do fine. BillC
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Bill C
349 posts
May 15, 2009
4:36 PM
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Scott would you give some more advice on charactor balancing and how you apply it to your selection of pairing your birds. We know you like to breed from the cream of the crop as you put it. That you like to hone in on your best producing pair. We all have one or two best producing pairs at our loft. (Not that they are as good as the next guy but the best of what we have anyway)
But how you balance charactor in the birds. What are you looking for to put A with B as compared with cdefg and down the line? Bill C
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