PR_rollers
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2947 posts
May 15, 2009
4:17 PM
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Hey Bill sup,I read in a post you saying " My kit is better now than ever. I am seriously thinking of breeding from my A team right now. It would be breeding from all proven birds in the air.
Just would like to know how would you choose to pair them up since they are all from your A team.would you let them pick their own mates or would you select and pair them the way you want to .. lets say you have 2 spinners that are 25 ft you would take that into thought and not put two of the same together..two of the same color.ect..? since these are all proven how would you do it..just like to know cause I have a lot of respect for your knowlege...thanks..
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Ralph.
The greatest use of your life is so you live your life so that the use of your life will outlive your life, In other words what you going to leave behind legacy or Dust....
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Bill C
350 posts
May 15, 2009
5:12 PM
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Thanks for the complement Ralph, I am still wet behind the ears as they say.
I would definately pick the pairs myself. I have never let them pick each other unless you have a hen that wont mate with a cock, then put her in the cock pen and she will pick out a mate. So I did once let a small black hen pick her man.
As I go through the birds I am making notes on the ones that I think are the fastest in velocity. I would pair them up based on the best two or fastest two together. One being a red check and one being a dun color. I might end up with the best two being cock birds. I dont know why but I get more good rolling cocks than hens. Maybe I lose the good small hens to BOP?
I know already that the Dunn and redchecks in my A team are down from Joe Borges birds. They are the kit birds I would want to take out and breed more from.
If I am lucky enough to have half brother and half sister I would pair them up together. Red check to red check would be OK with me. Hoping for a click pair.
| After the first year of breeding kit birds I would put them on their parrents just to see what would happen. Its only one year and might have a click pair that way.
Right now I have not been pairing the same birds up each year as I am trying to see what is thowing the best of the best I have. Unfortunatly for me I get a good one here and there from many pairs.
My bottom line is I would like fast rollers as nothing looks good as the fastest birds. Quality, style,depth and everything else comes second to velocity. I am not saying I have the fastest in the west here! I am saying that is what I want in a kit of rollers more than anything else.
I also would start with the apple body on the top 4 or 6 birds in my kit. If I have 6 that are all worth breeding then the appple bodies will be bred from and the thinner body types would stay in the kit box for future comps. I really should have put this up front as I really believe we need the right chest muscle (breast) in our rollers for them to sustain a lasting velocity kit bird for years to come and with out they fall apart in time.
There is the mental factor equally important. I can only see what birds seem to enjoy the rolling ( as Monty described) and are always ready and excited to go out and fly. I dont want a fast roller that has to be thown out of the loft. I do get one or two a year that will sit insdide until I make them fly. That would not be a good canidate.
As far as color, I do not have a problem as of yet with birds being stiff. I dont think I ever will. If you have a red check or blue check that is frequent, there is the answer to your problem. Add frequency. Although I am a very patient fellow who will keep kit birds well into two years or more because of the lock down they do not get to fly 24 months in two years. Its more like flying them three years to get 24 months of flying out of them.
I read material from Bill Penosm and winners with spinners and the NBRC magazines. I can't get enough reading material because I see value in what they all say and teach. I apply it where I think it will help me the most. Chan Grovers advice to me, and I will always pass it along. " Don't take my word for it! Prove it yourself what works and what doesn't, don't be afraid to experiment". We all learn more from trial and error in anything we do in life and rollers is by far the biggest challenge we have as roller nuts. Bill C
Last Edited by on May 15, 2009 5:23 PM
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2949 posts
May 15, 2009
6:01 PM
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Thanks Bill as this will help alot of newbies out too..
----------you might still be wet behind the ears as you say but when those ears dry up, you be one of the greats..
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Ralph.
The greatest use of your life is so you live your life so that the use of your life will outlive your life, In other words what you going to leave behind legacy or Dust....
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redchecker16
293 posts
May 18, 2009
11:07 AM
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Great Info Bill.C as I learned something (newbie) an PR_Rollers what a Great POST! an solid questions thanks for posting.. redchecker16 aka Lamont.G
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BBBrollers
5 posts
May 18, 2009
1:23 PM
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Bill,
Send me those band numbers we discussed earlier and I will bring some info with me next month.
Jason
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PR_rollers
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2955 posts
May 18, 2009
4:39 PM
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Thanks Redchecker16 you Welcome.. I had to pick Bills brains he is very knowledgeable and don't mind spreading it around..I like this part
"There is the mental factor equally important. I can only see what birds seem to enjoy the rolling ( as Monty described) and are always ready and excited to go out and fly. I dont want a fast roller that has to be thown out of the loft. I do get one or two a year that will sit insdide until I make them fly. That would not be a good canidate.
So far the birds I have love to fly I just open the door ----------
Ralph.
The greatest use of your life is so you live your life so that the use of your life will outlive your life, In other words what you going to leave behind legacy or Dust....
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Bill C
351 posts
May 18, 2009
9:47 PM
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I think this got a little blown out of proportion a bit. I am just saying that I am really happy with my birds now more than ever. I am known locally for having outbirds all the time or I would score more. I like others mess around before a fly. It is best not to put in new birds just before you fly. I know its wrong but still do it sometimes. Its like a new kid in school and it is a distraction from the peers, they are checking her or him out and disruptive to the class for a while. So dont do it! The local guys are either laughing or gritting their teeth at me?
I like hold over birds and focus on just keeping birds until they are 1 1/2 or 2 years flying and that means having an extra kit box. I raise and fly about 60 to 75 birds a year like most of the guys in my area but I have 6 kit boxes because I dont cull the straight flyers. I keep them, I believe they all will roll if flown long enough. Anyway It could all be over with just one over fly so I had better becareful, pride comes before a fall!
Jason, Send me your email and I will get you the numbers. Thank you Bill Criderrader@aol.com
Last Edited by on May 18, 2009 9:50 PM
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