pat66
344 posts
May 15, 2009
4:53 PM
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----------Flew mt kit the other day and they were working,had a hen come down early and thought that was weird,as they alwats come down together, seen her 1 eye from 20 ft away and thought she looked different, and holy smoke she had blood in her eye, checked today and she still has it! whats your thoughts? NEVER had this before!
Pat
Last Edited by on May 15, 2009 4:57 PM
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yang501424
256 posts
May 15, 2009
5:03 PM
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Pat what is the hen off of? Because I have a hen that was breeding birds with eye in the blood.
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pat66
345 posts
May 15, 2009
5:10 PM
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She was of off #15s son,she was rolling her tail off
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Pat
Last Edited by on May 15, 2009 5:11 PM
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yang501424
257 posts
May 15, 2009
5:16 PM
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Pat this is what I think. I think its not 15 thats throwing it maybe the other mate. Because I have her mother and sister and didn't have that problem. I could be wrong but just giving what i think.
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donnie james
438 posts
May 15, 2009
9:17 PM
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pat some says this is falt in the bird a weakness in the eye myself i never gave it much thought on it donny james
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Longroller
GOLD MEMBER
189 posts
May 15, 2009
9:40 PM
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----------I have heard the same Donny..however it takes such a spinner to accomplish that physical issue, I doubt many have seen a bird that can spin that fast to produce it. I would not like to see that in all top spinners, however I would personally not cull the bird for it. Something to track Pat. I have had a couple in the past 10 years off of my old Smith blood that did that. Fast and extremely deep. Bruce
De Oppresso Liber
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Scott
2148 posts
May 16, 2009
6:04 AM
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If the other top spinners can pysicaly handle it why would you put any value in one that can't ?
I learned along time ago to not make excuses for culls,but of coarse I would let it heal and put back into the kitbox and hope it didnt happen again,and again and again.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on May 16, 2009 6:06 AM
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toronto15
180 posts
May 16, 2009
12:49 PM
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Questions. Is a Birmingham Rollers eyes opened or closed while spinning? Or does it depend on the bird? Glen.
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Spin City USA
222 posts
May 16, 2009
1:45 PM
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Spinning blood in the eye is a physical defect! It is a bird having weak blood vessels in the eye. It is not caused by extream veloicity as slow rollers can roll blood in the eye. As Scott said:"If the other top spinners can pysicaly handle it why would you put any value in one that can't"? No matter how good this bird is in every other catagory if you breed from it you will be setting the trait in your family. Let it heal for a couple of weeks and put it back in the kit and see if it has enough scar tissue to keep it from happening again. They are your birds and your call.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3424 posts
May 16, 2009
2:09 PM
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Jay is absolutely right
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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toronto15
185 posts
May 16, 2009
11:46 PM
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Is there a difference between 'Spinning blood in the eye', and a wing slap? Glen.
Last Edited by on May 16, 2009 11:47 PM
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Leo
Member
115 posts
May 17, 2009
7:07 AM
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The answer is in good common sense,#1 how fast does a bird spin to Roll Blood in the eye??YET!!!The outside force of the spin will be MUCH GREATER..yet no damage done! IF THE SPIN WAS THAT FAST! I can assure you the GUTS would blow out!..Thats common sense!..many of you fanciers think IT IS A WEAKNESS,you couldnt be farther from the truth,Heres Why!..after several months of working with the university and three Graduates, it was found that the ROLLER PIGEON, and CL TUMBLER had THICKER BLOOD VESSELS THROUGHOUT THE HEAD, Mother nature had already provided the safety feature for our birds,SO believe what you wish.....
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3313 posts
May 17, 2009
9:14 AM
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Leo, I have to this day a hen that spun so hard her "guts" did come out, after I shoved them back in for her, she healed up but was never able to lay eggs. I fly her to this day.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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yang501424
258 posts
May 17, 2009
1:25 PM
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I had a bird that spun so fast and furious that her brakes couldn't even stop her from hitting the ground.
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Spin City USA
223 posts
May 17, 2009
3:55 PM
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Leo, what you say may be true and nature has given Rollers thicker blood vessels in the head and it which proves the point that Scott made:"If the other top spinners can pysicaly handle it why would you put any value in one that can't"? The birds that roll blood in their eye are physicaly weak in that area. I have seen birds that can spin extreamly fast and birds that roll slow have the same condition and if you breed them you will get the same. If the eye vessels in such a bird is weak it wont take much speed for the blood to flow.
Glen, a wing slap is different, that is just an accident of two birds being too close in the air while performing, or two birds fighting.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
Last Edited by on May 17, 2009 4:00 PM
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yang501424
259 posts
May 17, 2009
4:20 PM
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True that Jay. I've got birds that roll slow and got blood in the eye not due to spinning out their eye ball.
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Leo
Member
116 posts
May 18, 2009
6:58 AM
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Tony, I am amazed the bird lived,,,Down through the many yrs i have had 3 birds that 'lost their insides'these birds were gone in a few hrs,because their guts went one way and the birds went another,,they lost it all!....LEO
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Leo
Member
117 posts
May 18, 2009
7:20 AM
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Spin, you just answered your own 'theory' you say you owned SLOW rollers, that ROLLED BLOOD???WHEW! thats impossible to believe!!..UNLESS, it was bumped..??or hit by a wing tip ,In my 60 yrs of rollers i have NEVER HAD BIRDS TO REPRODUCE birds that, reproduced this trait.Or had any family to do so!But there is one thing for sure..I LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVERY DAY !!And ALWAYS WILLING TO PAY ATTENTION...
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0221
261 posts
May 18, 2009
7:44 AM
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Tony, Is there A chance that the bird Had an egg in hen when she spun her inside's out? I've seen more of that than the other.
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pat66
346 posts
May 19, 2009
4:00 AM
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Checked the bird yesterday and the blood is gone! going to fly her again and see what happens,great roller, really do not want to cull her,what would you guys do?
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Pat
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Spin City USA
226 posts
May 19, 2009
7:36 PM
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Leo, I said I have seen slow rollers that have rolled blood in their eye. I have had one bird do it (both eyes) and it was extreamly fast but it is not something that I wanted to continue. This was an individual pigeon with weak vessels in it's eye. It happened to this hen twice, the first time I let it heal,(not long enough) the second time I rested it for three weeks and it never happened again. The bird was an excellent kit bird and none of its sibblings ever had the problen. The weaker the eye the less velocity it will take to let the blood flow. My friend with the slow roller thought his bird could really crank, but he had faster birds, but as far as he was concerned the blood was proof of how fast his bird was. He wanted to breed from it. With all the inbreeding and crossing of families we are seeing all kinds of defects popping up. I have had birds get hit by a wing tip but it in one eye. Both birds I saw had boyh eyes with blood. The fact that you have not produced this trait says somthing good about your program. I am just glad I did not let this get a foothold in my birds.
pat66, rest that bird for a three weeks or so and let the scar tissue really heal then put it back up. just because the blood is gone does not mean it has healed.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
Last Edited by on May 19, 2009 7:39 PM
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Bill C
352 posts
May 19, 2009
9:42 PM
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Yang, that was truely funny! LOL " I had a bird that spun so fast and furious that her brakes could even stop her from hitting the ground!" I am still laughing at that one.
It reminds me of good ol Nick Sniders posts. There was a picture of a bird and the post was what do you think of this birds eye. Everyone was posting on what they thought and Nick said, " If it has another eye on the other side of its head it is a good sign." LOL!
And Scott when he saw that picture of the bird that got beat up from a bandy chicken and the pigeon had some feather sticking up on it head and it was an wierd color and Scott said," What the _ _ _ is that! Too funny Bill
Last Edited by on May 19, 2009 9:43 PM
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Victor Hurtado
52 posts
May 19, 2009
10:14 PM
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HAHA thats some hilarious stuff.
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yang501424
260 posts
May 19, 2009
10:14 PM
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I was just joking around with that post Bill. LOL
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winwardrollers
250 posts
May 31, 2009
9:09 AM
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Just had a bird that came down with blood in both eyes yesterday.
The parents never had the problem.
Will rest and refly.
Betting it will come back and bird will be a cull.
Bwinward
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Scott
2204 posts
May 31, 2009
9:20 AM
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No Brad, it is a stocker for sure LOL
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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winwardrollers
252 posts
May 31, 2009
1:50 PM
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Scott
thanks for the bad advice..lol
Bwinward
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Scott
2205 posts
May 31, 2009
2:41 PM
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Brad,obviously you aren't aware that it is a satey switch so that the fast ones don't blow their guts out.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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wishiwon2
199 posts
May 31, 2009
9:08 PM
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LOL @ saftey switch. It must be a mongrel because 3 grad students have demonstrated that rollers in fact have thicker vessels in their heads. Evidence of crossbreeding ...? hmmm
Brad I am impressed that it landed normally vs the way some those Cache Valley almonds land ... and their eyes were working fine.
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Jon
"had fun, wish i won 2"
If it were easy, everybody would do it ...
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wishiwon2
200 posts
May 31, 2009
9:14 PM
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Seriously, I am not debating that blood in the eye is a fault, a weakness. I do wonder though if anaemia or a similar condition dont lend themselves to this. Perhaps a deficiency in micronutrients in the birds weakens the capillary walls or decrease the clotting ability. Perhaps the birds already suffers from high blood pressure. Just proposing alternative hypothesis to ultra high speed spinning as a cause. I dont believe high velocity is the cause. I have seen moderate speed birds with blood in the eye too, not as a result of injury (which appears different).
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Jon
"had fun, wish i won 2"
If it were easy, everybody would do it ...
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winwardrollers
253 posts
Jun 01, 2009
2:22 PM
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I have had them land with one eye with blood..this is the first time that one come down with both.. "safty switches blown"..lol....I didn't check for guts.
I do get one now and again the showes up with blood in eye...eyes look good today.. my problem now is that I don't know how to reset the switches.
bwinward
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viper
65 posts
Jun 01, 2009
9:31 PM
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Brad
Pull on the tail to reset switch it pulls the eyes back in place and pulls the blood out of eye if guts are showing pull on head to pull them back in the ones that hit drive way well you know switch is broken and can't be reset.Blake
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speedball
430 posts
Jun 03, 2009
7:04 AM
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???????????????? ???????????? glug!
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speedball
442 posts
Jun 14, 2009
7:04 PM
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hey viper i had a bird that rolled and hit the top of my fence. it would not stop rolling, if i open my hand it would start rolling. i put it in a tiny box and put clothes all round it to stop it rolling in the box. it seemed to be stuck in the roll. how could i have stoped it other then culling it pal?
Last Edited by on Jun 14, 2009 7:06 PM
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3068 posts
Jun 14, 2009
7:18 PM
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That is easy pull the tail to the left.....lol..
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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speedball
443 posts
Jun 15, 2009
3:05 AM
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i looked at in the morning and i kid you not, the bird died rolling god knows how long. it was covered in its own feathers. i nearly had a tear in my eye. it traped a nerve when it hit the fence. it was a most excellent roller regardless.
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3070 posts
Jun 15, 2009
5:55 AM
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speed you were serious I thought you was jiving..sorry you lost your best bird.. ..
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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speedball
445 posts
Jun 15, 2009
4:06 PM
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no joke mate. unfortunatly that bird did die rolling.
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diamondrollers
320 posts
Jun 23, 2009
9:24 PM
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i think it is a trait that the birds pass even if them there self never rolled blood in there eye. My foundation cock nest mate rolled blood in her eye and not to long ago a grand daughter to my foundation cock rolled blood in her eye. One thing is it doesnt show up that often but its there. me my self wont bred from this hen no matter how good she is and shes good every time i put her up she comes down with horns on her head lol
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winwardrollers
260 posts
Jun 23, 2009
9:40 PM
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Diamondroller
I would have to agree with you. It is what I have experiance..But I do think you can breed a bird that has it and and young can be fine as well.. If you can breed something better then why mess around with inferior stock. I have enought birds that this type of problem is not worth breeding into.
bwinward
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diamondrollers
321 posts
Jun 24, 2009
11:02 AM
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winwardrollers,
i dont need that hen or will ever. i have a cousen of hers bred exsactly the same that at the end of the year im thinking of stocking to replace the grandmother my foundation hen that finally stoped laying after all these years sbw-96-31 bred by sammy williams. my foundation pair are the grandparent and great grandparents of the hen im planning on stock
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