redchecker16
287 posts
May 17, 2009
10:54 PM
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I have a lil hen red chk 2009/Bred thats a fast little pigeon 15-25ft on Average kits Good/well but for the last few days when she's coming in 15-20 ft above the roof she lets it GO! an sometimes Bumps/crash but she sometimes come out of it just in time but 2Day it was to late,Would this be a cull I fed her up good an rest an she really shows off but somedays she just cant Control it she's a 3/4 Breeding Father an Daughter mating does that have anything to do with it? So Vets Let me here it is this a cull or just needs 2 mature?
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Alohazona
621 posts
May 18, 2009
12:14 AM
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I would keep flying her.I had some real good birds do that,I just kept flying them and they worked through it.We had a longer than usual winter out here in Hawaii and saw some birds doing that when the days started getting hot.You have nothing to lose by flying them,if they are good they will straighten out,if they are not ....well you know....Aloha,Todd
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redchecker16
288 posts
May 18, 2009
12:22 AM
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Thanks Todd I'll take yor advice I'll just keep flying her an if she's a cull she will cull her self out sooner or later.
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black_hawk_down
206 posts
May 18, 2009
4:53 AM
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yup i agree with todd's post. -joe v.
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redchecker16
290 posts
May 18, 2009
10:43 AM
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Thanks Joe-v I agree also an tell little Brother keep those Doves breeding they are pigeons too may need a kit in the future LOL. take care!
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Victor Hurtado
47 posts
May 18, 2009
10:45 AM
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yeah they'll either die or like my 25footer they'll learn to control it when they too low..
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redchecker16
292 posts
May 18, 2009
10:53 AM
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Victor your right it will either straighten up or cull its self out thnks 4 ur response..
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black_hawk_down
208 posts
May 18, 2009
5:57 PM
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haha sure thing redchecker16
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wishiwon2
195 posts
May 21, 2009
9:09 PM
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One comment on your bird redchecker. Keep it or not, its up to you. It may become a good kitbird.
I suggest however you make note of it and not breed it. That trait, rolling while landing, seems to be a heritable trait. It is a trait I have dealt with for several years and am just now getting over it. Not saying I never have one bump, but I used to get half a dozen or more every year, last year I had one, none so far this yr. All of them could be traced to 2 hens and 1 cock.
I can tolerate a bump going out more so than coming back. They should have worked that nonsense out of themselves before they returned.
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Jon
"had fun, wish i won 2"
If it were easy, everybody would do it ...
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redchecker16
295 posts
May 23, 2009
2:50 PM
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Wishiwon2 Great Advice thanks!
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redchecker16
296 posts
May 23, 2009
3:01 PM
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Redchecker16 says as of 5-23-2009 She has straighten up no more bumping in the last 6 days (well I hope) she's been solid I feed her up an rest then feed down an she is showing some Control when coming in,As I watch her in the kit I notice the kit when coming in I had a cock that would be in the front an would roll/tailset an she would let it GO! I took him out for a few days an she was A ok, put him back up 2 days ago an he did the same thing but she didnt go hope it stays the same// Pigeons are very tricky I see you have 2 keep a watchful eye on them.. thanks for all of ur comments..
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bigwilly
941 posts
May 23, 2009
3:38 PM
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Stop flying her for a couple of days and feed her up. If the bird is really working in the air, when she traps, she may not be getting enough food because when she come in she is to tired to eat. I read a real good post in the NCRC bulletin that was written by Dave Henderson. He spoke on this same issue.
Today I flew my birds and noticed a little blue check that was rippin. This bird has also came all the way down b 4. When they trapped I let all of them eat. When they were done I felt this hen and she felt like she did not eat anything.I pulled her out and put her in another cage and she ate her butt off.
So I agree with Daves article where he states that you have to really keep an close eye on the birds feel them, watch them, no when to slow down on the flying, when to rest them, all of them getting there fair share of food. When some birds are hungry we all know that they do funny things LOFT MANAGEMENT IS SERIOUS. IF YOU ARE SERIOUS. Just my thoughts.
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BIG WILLY
TOPP FLIGHT/NCRC
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fhtfire
1917 posts
May 23, 2009
5:16 PM
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The bird is young...give it a chance....when learning to roll they are going to crash every now and then. Young birds you have to cut some slack. Now if this was a 10 month old...one year old bird and started doing this...then that is different....
I will say this....most of my best stock birds were just like this at a real young age.....they bumped....maybe twice or three times in a week...then they never did it again.....after I rested them for a couple days and fed them up.....then they were my top kit birds and then pulled for stock...the offspring....DID NOT bump like the parents did for the short amount of time.....
Read my article on "The evolution of the brimingham roller fancier"...in that article I speak of removing the different hats and how important that it is....when you are flying youngbirds...you cant have your old bird hat on or even your teenage bird hat on...they are different hats and different birds....the best fanciers will give the young birds more slack....and old birds...very little.....
So....dont cull a baby...you would not wack your two year old everytime if fell while it was learning to walk......I have found some of the Best birds may do it once or twice when real young and LEARN to not do it again....just like you will have YOUNG birds....leave the kit when they come into the roll....or even land early....but that is more from shock of the roll and trying to get a handle on it...again...one of my good breeders...a Ruby roller all black hen...stayed away from the kit as a 4 month old bird....when she came into the roll...but then went back to the kit...and kit like glue....she is a very good breeder and Dwight Wallace is getting some good birds from her...but again...I could have culled her for not kitting....but PATIENCE with young birds....
rock and ROLL
Paul
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redchecker16
299 posts
May 24, 2009
11:32 AM
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Bigwilly an fhtfire thanks for the Advice an readings Info is always Good thnks!
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RodSD
256 posts
May 24, 2009
11:57 PM
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They are like babies falling on their buttocks learning how to stand. As everyone said, give it chance for now by upping the feed and let it mature. Hopefully it will strengthen out when it gets older. If not, it will either cull itself or ..... Obviously this is more work for you.
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