macsrollers
83 posts
Jun 02, 2009
10:02 PM
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Yesterday morning George Ruiz and I, along with my son, got to watch my kit fly in the finals and be judged by Hannes Rossouw. With all the so called controversy I had read regarding his judging I had already built in a perception on how my kit would be judged and that perception was wrong. First, Hannes takes judging the WC Finals very seriously. The finalists are flying to be considered to have flown the best kit in the world in this competition so he is judging to a standard that such an honor represents. He does not score any waterfall or even anything that doesn't roll correctly and doesnt' break instantaneously. That is the definition of unison. There is no 1/2 second rule to consider. He does an excellent job of scoring only the birds that roll correctly and to his minimum standard on those unison breaks. Is he a tight judge- yes he is tighter then alot of judges I've seen but I wouldn't call him tight. I would call him strict. He has set the bar high because this is the world championship. He reminds me of when Don Ouellette judged my kit in the late 90's. I was fairly new to the hobby at that time and while I was a little preplexed on how low my score was I was in total agreement when Don explained to me why. That is why Don is at the top of the hobby when it comes to competing. He sets a high standard and reaches for that standard with his birds. There was nothing unfair in the way Don or Hannes judged my birds. I owe Don alot because he showed me what a quality spinner is all about. Doug Ouellette judged much the same way. I have been fortunate to start out with birds from Don and Doug and the best of those birds represent about as good of a spinner that has been created- in my opinion. Hannes standard is in line with Don's when it comes to quality spin. I only had one difference of opinion with Hannes and that was my 1.2 quality multiplier. We discussed that and I understand why it was only 1.2. I don't agree but I understand. The performance my team put on deserved no less then a 1.4, not because they were my team but because that was the overall quality that the birds that were scored on the breaks demonstrated. But I am not the judge and I respect Hannes overall judging of my kit. Those that took issue on how Hannes judged, I ask to take a step back and rethink that. Next time to fly your A team watch them from a different perspective. Focus on how many birds actually break instataneously without the slightest hesitation at all. Watch which of those birds actually rolled correctly with a minimum amount of acceptable velocity. I think if you watch with an open mind you will see some of the things that Hannes and other top quality judges see. I am in no way bad mouthing the judges that give high scores. As long as a judge is consistent from start to finish then the best team performance flown that competition should win. So I believe the controversy really isn't on how Hannes judges, but on what level of standard some are willing to accept, or not accept, in competition flying. The higher the bar the harder to achieve. Some won't accept that high of a standard because it scares them to have to try to reach it. I am motivated by that standard as I want my birds to be the best that a spinner can be, as well as I know I have birds in my program that can produce birds of that standard. Congratulations to Hannes for setting the bar high. Is it too high, no- not for the world championship of flying rollers. Thanks for reading. Don M. Mac's Roller LVRC NBRC QSDC RPDC
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Scott
2213 posts
Jun 03, 2009
7:13 AM
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Don, he simply scored only those doing it right at the proper depth and breaking together, shouldn't that be what every judge does ? it sure seperates reality from fiction.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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0221
312 posts
Jun 03, 2009
7:45 AM
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We have to watch our birds the other 364 days of the year. would You like to see what Don and Hannes scored, or anything that moves?
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
1916 posts
Jun 03, 2009
8:41 AM
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Don,
It sounds like you and I had very similar experiences of Hannes' judging. I too was impressed by where he set the bar for performance. Most of the guys in our region seemed to agree with his perspectives , with an exception or two on the multiplier for quality, as in your case.
I think every judge that judges our birds does his very best to abide by the rules and score only those birds that meet the standards, he does the best he can to accurately estimate the birds in the breaks. It is just that some are better than others but each does the very best he can.
It is a thrill to at least get the weather to cooperate. Sounds like you had a good fly in front of a very good judge. I congratulate you.
Cliff
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Scott
2215 posts
Jun 03, 2009
9:06 AM
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Cliff/Don, when ever you have a judge that is only scoring birds doing it correctly it is going to start at 1.0 and then go up from there, so no you aren't going to see high quality multipliers.
If you look at many of the regions with out of whack scores you will also see the same with the multipliers, I have seen before where everything was a 1.5 and above with with maybe a 1.4 or 1.3 thrown in.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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j .wanless
805 posts
Jun 03, 2009
9:36 AM
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hi all
don if only everyone had your attitude towards judges
it would be much easier to get people to judge.well done on your oppinion of the judge + letting everyone
know what to expect.
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
1917 posts
Jun 03, 2009
10:09 AM
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Scott
As far as I know there has never been any judge that has had 100% of those judged agree with 100% of the judges estimates on numbers in the breaks or multipliers assigned. Hannes did a great job to the best of his ability and his understanding of the rules. I said, all judges do the best they can with in the frame work of the rules and their experience level. Some will like and some will dislike, how the judges evaluate the kits, but the fact remains, a winner was found among the kits judged. The judge counted birds and assigned numbers/multipliers to help aid him to rank the kits so that the kit with the highest numerical score wins. Like some are fond of saying, Rocket science, it ain't. LOL!
Cliff
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
1918 posts
Jun 03, 2009
10:25 AM
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Scott
From what I read, so far Hannes has made only 2 calls of 1.0 D or Q in the 45- 50 of his evaluations, and so far around 10 calls 1.4 - 1.5 D or Q. Once he starts judging kits that are free from hawk-related losses, kits where the Breeders can be flown and kits flying in cooler weather conditions, I would expect those multipliers to rise accordingly. A lot depends on the weather. Whatever he does from here, he has my respect for the job he doing.... as does every other finals WC judge in the past.
Cliff
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3462 posts
Jun 03, 2009
5:41 PM
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Tight and right only are rhyming words; neither one of them has anything to do with the other.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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macsrollers
87 posts
Jun 03, 2009
10:03 PM
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Nic, I agree tight and right only rhyme. My analogy was tight or right because posts and the buzz outside this site was that Hannes was way too tight and I think he was much more right! Scott, I agree Hannes simply did what was expected of a good judge. I just wanted to share my experience and opinion for those, including myself, that sometimes can't accept simple and want to over-analyze and critic such simple things in life! Hopefully this helps us look at things with a more open mind and different perspective. We could all use some more of that. Thanks everyone for the input. Don M. Mac's Rollers
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