harrison
833 posts
Jun 03, 2009
3:44 PM
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Hi guys.
I have got a mealy bar cock paired to a blue check white flytee.
They have produced a Blue dunn.
Can someone please tell me witch one carries that color???
I read a article that i have put up (GOOD READ) and its by bill penson.
he stated that they were only a few original colors to the birmingham roller and one of them was blue dunn.
I thought that it was a color that may have been brought into the rolor like many others.
Any comments please.
yours harrison uk hull
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Tony Chavarria
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3332 posts
Jun 03, 2009
4:09 PM
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Harrison, the hen is carrying the Blue, if the cock is, he will have black ticking some call it flecking. The blue dun is a hen.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Last Edited by on Jun 03, 2009 4:09 PM
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nicksiders
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3460 posts
Jun 03, 2009
5:28 PM
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Dunn is dilutte black and black is a spread from blue; it has to be the blue check hen.
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Sunflower
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429 posts
Jun 03, 2009
5:53 PM
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I have no idea what a "blue dun" is since dun is a dilute of black (spread blue). You gents in the UK have your own set of color descriptors so I am not sure what color you are talking about. That having been said, here is color genetics 101. A male offspring carries 2 color genes (1 from each parent) whereas a female offspring carries only 1 color gene which she gets from the sire. A mealy cock, which I believe is actually an ash red, must carry the blue gene to produce a blue anything. If he didn't carry blue, he would only produce red offspring since that color is dominant. The cocks from a red/blue pairing will carry blue but manifest red. Harrison for your pair to produce a blue anything that mealy cock must carry blue.
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Last Edited by on Jun 03, 2009 5:54 PM
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harrison
836 posts
Jun 04, 2009
1:40 PM
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Sorry about the poor picture.
Thank you for your comments.
Verry intresting.
yours harrison uk
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Robert
18 posts
Jun 04, 2009
3:04 PM
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It's an ash-red bar, it may be the dirty (V) gene which is causing the dark colour. It isn't a dun because dun is dilute black, and neither parent is spread. It isn't blue because the beginning of a red bar is evident. It could be a cock or a hen.
Colour terminology is confusing when one colour has many different names varying from breed to breed, country to country, etc.
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Tony Chavarria
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3333 posts
Jun 04, 2009
4:23 PM
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Robert, when I breed Ash Red cocks to Blue hens and the youngsters that express blue only are hens. If they express Ash Red and Blue, mine are cocks. If either all Ash Red or Blue, it is a hen.
Harrison...what can I say...ask Colors101 what the heck is going on. LOL Eric, can you check in on this? (BTW, Eric, I got your email, call you later)
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Sunflower
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431 posts
Jun 04, 2009
6:29 PM
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Tony,
If your ash red cocks produce blue hens, then they carry blue. Only way it can happen unless you are talking about recessives and then that is a different story.
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Joe
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Tony Chavarria
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3336 posts
Jun 04, 2009
6:43 PM
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Joe, what if the Ash Red cock does not express blue? (Black Ticking) Then it is mated to a blue hen? What will the F1 cocks show?(Ash Red with Black Ticking) F1 hens show? (Either Ash Red or Blue only)
Where did I go wrong?
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Sunflower
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433 posts
Jun 04, 2009
6:51 PM
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The F1 cocks will be red normally showing blue. The F1 hens will be red. Now having said that red cocks carrying blue will not always show blue/black flecking in their tails or wing shields. In rare cases they will show red with no indication of blue. I have 2 ash red cocks that show no blue yet produce blue hens bred in individual breeding pens. Thought I was all wet until I went back and reviewed the pedigrees and realized thery were ash red carrying blue by breeding.
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Joe
Last Edited by on Jun 04, 2009 6:51 PM
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Robert
19 posts
Jun 05, 2009
11:21 AM
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Tony,
Ash-red is dominant to blue, if an ash-red, cock pure for ash-red, is bred with a blue hen all the young will be ash-red. The young cocks from this mating will have varying degrees of black flecking. A blue cock to ash-red hen is a sex-linked mating, all ash-reds will be cocks and the blues hens, again the young cocks will show black flecking.
Ash-red cocks, carrying blue, bred with a blue hen will produce ash-red cocks and hens and blue cocks and hens. An ash-red cock, carrying blue, bred to an ash-red hen will breed blue hens and ash-red cocks and hens.
Last Edited by on Jun 05, 2009 11:22 AM
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harrison
839 posts
Jun 05, 2009
2:21 PM
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wow you guys no your stuff.
I was informed its a blue dunn.
Maybe its not.
Still a good post regardless.
Got lots of info so thank you for that.
I have checkd the bird for the black flecks and they are in the tail.
The picture isnt verry good but its deffo a kind of lylic color.
The cock as no black flecks on him whatsoever.
I have let this pair sit there next eggs bcause I am intrested in what they fire out next time.
I AM NOT A COLOR BREEDER LOL
just enjoying these little excperiments.
The pairents are great rollers so the you I hope follow suit.
What colors do you put together to produce mealys??
I find it verry intresting.
Also what red is a ash red?
Could somone please put up a picture of a ash red??
Is this a ash red??
cheers guys.
Color 101 please give your verdict.LOL
yours harrison uk
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Sunflower
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434 posts
Jun 05, 2009
5:47 PM
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Harrison,
The bird in the picture is an ash red check, one of the patterns that ash red manifests. Another is ash red bar, which I believe is what you gents in the UK refer to as mealy, I have also heard it refered to by you guys as dun. Pensom refers to dun in many of his writings but I believe he was talking about ash red bars because dun is the dilute of black (blue spread). Enjoy your birds.
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Joe
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