Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1002 posts
Jun 07, 2009
11:37 AM
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Hey All, Just thought I would post a couple of pictures. The first is a 2009 Red Bar W/F cock and the second is a 2009 Blue Bar W/F hen. They were nest mates. I have thirty young birds in the air and they coming along just fine. That wraps up my breeding season, I keep my loft small in consideration of my neighbors.
Thom
Last Edited by on Jun 07, 2009 11:47 AM
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topnotch uk
565 posts
Jun 07, 2009
12:20 PM
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nice 1 old-fart
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XRollers
42 posts
Jun 07, 2009
12:33 PM
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wow nice...but to me seems like its the red bar looks more like the female and the blue bar looks more like the male...ahahaha just what i think
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toughrollers
128 posts
Jun 07, 2009
12:36 PM
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hi thom nice looking birds send them to me .
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Toughrollers--Lofts
Ralph
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SuperxRoller
60 posts
Jun 07, 2009
12:42 PM
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Nice Birds
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1005 posts
Jun 07, 2009
12:50 PM
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Thanks all, XRollers it's just the closeness of the picture makes the hen look larger, they are just four months old.
Thom
Last Edited by on Jun 07, 2009 12:55 PM
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rockx.559
156 posts
Jun 07, 2009
1:07 PM
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oldfart nice ones you got there...are they both rubys?
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1006 posts
Jun 07, 2009
1:39 PM
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rockx 559, Yes they are both Ruby's.
Thom
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3045 posts
Jun 07, 2009
5:59 PM
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Thom nice 30 young in the air ..I can't wait till I get that much..got 15 and I have to hurry up before the BOP come in Oct...good luck..
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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gentle johnnie
48 posts
Jun 07, 2009
6:54 PM
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oldfart great looking rollers i'm like you got to kit birds at minimum to keep wife off my back- trying to build second kit box she is throwing a fit said i need it for young birds she is a little better today after church. got some birds from Dave Gehrke in MN. on of the Mahogany WF/WT cocks got out and put on quite a show almost rolled down several times the got right and put on a great show -fast-deep just one after amother 20 to35 Fft. then took off but was back this morning and trapped in can't wait to fly all 7 of them GOD BLESS!! Gentle Johnnie "Angels of the Sky Loft"
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donnie james
494 posts
Jun 07, 2009
9:12 PM
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hay thom very nice looking birds and i want to wish you all the best with them donny james
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1013 posts
Jun 08, 2009
8:08 AM
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Hey All, XRollers, I took a hard look at the Blue Bar and you might be right. If it is a cock it is very mild mannered. A trait I would breed for! Either way, I like it but it first must make it in the air.
gentle johnnie, A little sugar goes a long way. Give her what she wants first.
Ralph, it's not the numbers but the quality. You are on top of the game and will do alright!
toughrollers, Ralph you have the right stock, you don't need my help! Keep them flying!
Thanks, topnotch.
Donnie, thanks, I appreciate the thought.
Thanks All
Thom
Last Edited by on Jun 08, 2009 8:10 AM
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harrison
859 posts
Jun 08, 2009
8:44 AM
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As soon as I seen the red bar at the top I was going to ask are they rubys.LOL.
I think its great that I am from the UK and can pick one of Tonys birds out by seaing them on a picture.
You have done well Tony.
Also credit due to you Mr Old.
Nice looking birds
Good look johnie with the new kit box.
I have the same problem with the wife.
Sure a bit of shopping money will cool her down LOL.
Good to see you guys posting.
Yours harrison uk hull.
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1014 posts
Jun 08, 2009
9:08 AM
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harrison, I'm glad you dropped the "cruel' it din't fit anyway. smile
Thom
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harrison
863 posts
Jun 08, 2009
9:11 AM
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cheers.
hope your young birds are doing ok?
harrison
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harrison
864 posts
Jun 08, 2009
9:12 AM
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I DID SMILE THANKS.
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harrison
865 posts
Jun 08, 2009
9:14 AM
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Are the birds above from early jan feb time?
They look nice and mature.
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Windjammer Loft
789 posts
Jun 08, 2009
9:48 AM
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Hey Thom...Iam not have much luck with my Ruby's at all this season. I have 4pr in individual pens now for 3mo and just this past week 2 pr are down on eggs. I have opened the pens so they have axcess to the rest of the loft and still nothing.. What are you doing??? Any advise??? Although my Orientals aren't doing anything either. Iam haven luck with my Fireballs, 5pr and all are on their second round...
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1015 posts
Jun 08, 2009
10:54 AM
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Hey Paul, I don't know any secrets but I'll be happy to share my method. I first start every breeding season by worming my birds and treating them with 4in1 just as a preventive measure. I isolate the cock's from the hens before I mate them up. I use the crown breeding cage and have found that I have to provide a board in the half of the cage not taken up by the nest bowl. I leave this board in until the pair have laid both eggs and then take it out. Otherwise I have problems with fertility because of the wire floor in the cage.
I feed nothing but Purina Pigeon Chow Checkers and fresh grit. I know grit is not supposed to be necessary with the pellets but I let them decide if they need it or not.
I give them Vitamins and Electrolytes in their water on a rotating basis with Bio Pro and A.C.V. I make sure to change out the water every day.
I also make it a practice to keep my hands out of their nest until it's time to band with the exception of candling the eggs after they are a week old.
When I band I give them an additional nest bowl for the next round.
That is about it, I have a few more exentricities but I'll save them for another post. Smile
Thom
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3046 posts
Jun 08, 2009
11:20 AM
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I do just about the same way you do Thom.except I only give mix.cause thats all I can find here.and also give Garlic..one pair raise 12 baby with two foster to help.I make sure when I breed them again I give a vitamin E pill to the male every other day and cod liver oil to the female and calcium..Paul maybe you can give them that and see what happens....good luck..
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
Last Edited by on Jun 08, 2009 11:21 AM
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toughrollers
129 posts
Jun 08, 2009
7:30 PM
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Hi Thom,
Hope you are well,
Just would like to ask you is there any reason that you give them vitamins in their water as I also feed my pigeons pellets but thought there was no need to give vitamins as all the nutrients are in the pellet?
Would also like to know how you rotate your Probiotic and your apple cider vineger (ACV) and how often do you give it to your birds. Do you give them straight water?. As I have always given them natural grains and straight water but this year converted to pellets and also trying Prob'tc and ACV.
Thanks Thom your birds are beautiful. Take Care
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Toughrollers--Lofts
Ralph
Last Edited by on Jun 08, 2009 7:34 PM
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spanky
840 posts
Jun 08, 2009
8:22 PM
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LOOKING GOOD.....
SPANKY
SGVS
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1017 posts
Jun 09, 2009
4:37 AM
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Hey Ralph, I am stumbling along in the dark trying to learn as I go so please trust your own instincts!
Ralph, you are correct in that the pellets are supposed to contain all vitamins and electrolytes the birds need. Paranoia is my only reason, the powder is cost effective (cheap) and if not needed causes no harm.
I give the Bio Pro every other week to add beneficial bacteria. I mix my water in air tight glass jugs at the start of the week and replace the water in the breeding cages everyday. I clean the water cups as needed or once a week and soak them in a mild bleach solution.
The A.C.V. will help minimize salmonella bacteria. I have only been giving in once a week but on the advice of a top breeder(A real gentleman that was kind enough to help me!)I'm going to use it much more next year. My next years plan is to alternate A.C.V. with Bio Pro.
Good nesting material is as important as anything you can do. What every you use make sure their is enough to form a deep base.
Please remember I'm on a learning curve also, so never accept anything I might say as gospel. Do the research for yourself and decide what works best for your birds.
Hope this is of some help.
Thom
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1018 posts
Jun 09, 2009
6:47 AM
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Hey Ralph, I have a few additional thoughts. I heat my loft to sixty degrees through the early breeding season. I do this primarily because when you get old and stiff, stuff hurts more when its cold, but I think it also helps with a low mortality rate when the cock starts driving the hen for the next round. With the heat you must also provide good ventilation. I have mine set up so that the air flows from the floor to the ceiling but is not DRAFTY.
To maximize my season I use fosters, three pair for every stock pair, but the fosters I have are all from the same stock pairs. One cock with two hens so they are fosters only if the timing works. If the timing is off, I still have young birds that are in my family and their parents were picked from the air. Not just because they are in the family!
Thanks SPANKY!
I would also like to ask a favor from the list. When asked I try to help but I make mistakes like anyone, so PLEASE, if anyone but especially the more experienced flyer's see that I'm giving bad or wrong advice, step in and correct my well intentioned mistake.
Thanks!
Thom
Last Edited by on Jun 09, 2009 6:48 AM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3337 posts
Jun 09, 2009
8:57 AM
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Thom, you have been offering solid advice. Thanks for contributing your experience! I appreciate your very positive tone.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1019 posts
Jun 09, 2009
11:21 AM
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harrison, The two above were born the last of February.
cheers, mate
Tony, I don't mind trying to help, I just never want to give wrong or bad advice. So......Keep me moderated!
Thom
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Electric-man
2347 posts
Jun 09, 2009
11:27 AM
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We are lucky to have you Thom! Anytime I see that "Oldfart" posted, I'm checking it out! Not hard to tell that you got plenty of savy! You always seem to be on the right track with your comments and ideas, but you always seem to have your own little twist you put on things, that keeps me thinking. That and your respect you show the other members here put you on the A list in my book!
You've been more help to me than you know!!!
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Val
Last Edited by on Jun 09, 2009 11:28 AM
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1020 posts
Jun 09, 2009
1:02 PM
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Val, Remember I said , "You will get used to me!" smile
I consider myself lucky to be here and to have the friends I've made.
Thanks, Everyone!!
Thom
Last Edited by on Jun 09, 2009 1:10 PM
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3050 posts
Jun 09, 2009
5:03 PM
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Well said Val I feel the same way about Thom ..he told me I'm on top of the game and I will be alright well I want to say that back to you Thom..you are on top of the game and you Are Alright..good to have you around..
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1022 posts
Jun 09, 2009
5:35 PM
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Hey Guys, I'm starting to blush and my ole bald head glows when I turn red! No one wants to see that, its not pretty! Just ask my wife! ;-))
Thom
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toughrollers
130 posts
Jun 09, 2009
8:11 PM
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hi thom thanks for your info.
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Toughrollers--Lofts
Ralph
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