Square
712 posts
Jun 07, 2009
12:03 PM
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Just intersted on how many of the flyers here on this site fly cocks and hens seperate? I have done this in the past but not as intence as I am this year. Ive broken my Ateam into 12cocks and 15hens, I fly them seperate and have had some great results. By doing this it is my hope to be able to asemble a 20bird team during comp reguardless of the makeup,, what are some of your thoughts?.. Thanx for your time
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Oldfart
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1004 posts
Jun 07, 2009
12:22 PM
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Square, I've done the same, it just makes life easier.
Thom
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Alohazona
641 posts
Jun 07, 2009
1:03 PM
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Square,
I will be doing it this year for the fall.If you think about it, it just makes sense.
I do this only to assemble the best possible situation for performance.I don't even consider competitions in making this move.I am most successful with my birds,when I throw competitions out of the equation.That does not mean I do not compete,I do.I do not let it run my life.......Aloha,Todd
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Oldfart
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1010 posts
Jun 07, 2009
2:38 PM
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Aloha, Todd
Competing with oneself is the hardest competition of all. There is no one else to blame.
Thom
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Square
713 posts
Jun 07, 2009
3:08 PM
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Thanx for the input Guy's. Yea it has made life easy for me. Also I notice the birds are alot more interested in performing. Plus I dont have to really tear them down to gettum on track.. Thanx agian for your time and good luck to all....1
Booker
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donnie james
491 posts
Jun 07, 2009
3:25 PM
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hay square i have a frend in south carolina and he was tell me that one of his friend flys all his cocks in 1 fly box and all his hens in 1 box ................donny james
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Square
715 posts
Jun 07, 2009
3:44 PM
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Sweet! its lookin like fun..Ill keep youguys posted
Booker
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Square
716 posts
Jun 07, 2009
3:45 PM
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Sweet! its lookin like fun..Ill keep youguys posted
Booker
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Bill C
372 posts
Jun 07, 2009
3:48 PM
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If you are not over feeding your birds you should not have a problem with them laying eggs. Remeber Hens will mate with each other and lay eggs if fed too much. Just like women in prison. Although you did not mention you had them laying eggs, just that they were easier to manage, so that is a good point of view Square.
However I have not done this and maybe it would be good to do. I think horny cocks will chase younger or smaller cock around also if fed too much. They are creatures of habbit and your management make the most out of them either way. It is 100% my management when they are not doing well. I'd say pull the cocks giving problems and might imporve also. Just my thoughts. Bill C
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Square
718 posts
Jun 07, 2009
4:06 PM
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Thanx Bill, Yea "women in prison" now I would have no problem being the cockbird there...LOL But really it has worked for me. Basically because I dont compete all that much, and for my birds in specific, it takes alot to breakum down, as they are really strong on the wing naturally. I makeit a point to allow them to just be pigeons some of the time. One reason is because in my personal opion the are athelets and as like any other athelete you can only be peaked out so many time in your cerrer. So I let them have alittle bit of free will "Withen Reason". Also I have seen people destroy good birds by wanting them to win the world cup everytime they letum out...basically they just destroyum. I have also noticed that with allowing them to be pigeons here and there, they are way more reseptive to the breakdown program for comp.
Square
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macsrollers
91 posts
Jun 07, 2009
10:25 PM
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The late great Monty Neibel told me that as soon as you have enough performing cocks to make a kit and enough performing hens to make a kit seperate them and fly them by sex. Then leading up to a competition you can mix them to make your best team. I never asked him why as I was new to the hobby at the time. I have seen in some writings that Hienes Biejker(?) also flies his old teams by sex. They both have been very successful in competition so maybe there is something to it. Many of us with predator problems can't keep a good old bird team of just cocks and a good old bird team of just hens around for long. Like Bill C. said, if you control the feed then the birds will not pair up to the point of laying. When I lock down my top 30 kit birds for the winter due to predators I seperate the cocks from the hens. But when I am consistently flying them and keeping them in flying condition I rarely get an egg in a kit box. Flying hens that just laid or are ready to lay can be dangerous as they can blow out their oviduct when they roll. I have seen this once but the bird did survive. She won't lay though so she remained in my kits. If your kit birds are pairing up and constantly laying eggs I would cut back on the feed can. If you identify birds that have paired up I would move one of them to another kit for awhile. Once you get the feed under control then you seldom will get birds pairing up, though it may happen on occasion. Something Don Ouellette told me, another top flyer, there is a constant learning curve to managing your kit birds as individuals, not just as a group. This is part of that learning curve. Don M. LVRC
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cv rollers
377 posts
Jun 08, 2009
12:17 AM
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great advice guys am having this problem (eggs in kit box) will do cut feed !!!!!!!! and split up when i have enough of both sexes
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harrison
861 posts
Jun 08, 2009
9:04 AM
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I have noticed in the past when a cock treads his hen they fly off and the cock shows off to his hen.
As if he is saying look at me roll?
So I would asume that if you have a kit of cocks and hens together then there is a chance that some of these bird will pair up with eachother.
This making the kit look like its working better than if you only had just cocks or hens only???
Just a thought.
Maybe this would not be the case but like I have said In the past I have seen my birds cocks in genral perform infront of there hens better then when they are not paired up an flying with one???????????
yours harrison uk hull.
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PR_rollers
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3047 posts
Jun 08, 2009
11:32 AM
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I read in one of my books I have to find it to see which one it was ..an old timer said that the problem with flying separate sex is that one day the birds will fly away either the cocks or hens out of the blue something happens to them..I don;t know if this is true this is what I read..I don't think this happen to anyone these days since noone speaks of it..I guess..
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harrison
868 posts
Jun 08, 2009
11:38 AM
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Who nos,Maybe when people have fly aways (full kits going missing) this could be due to there been more of one sex then the other??
good point Ralph.
yours in roll harrison.
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harrison
869 posts
Jun 08, 2009
11:43 AM
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Who nos,Maybe when people have fly aways (full kits going missing) this could be due to there been more of one sex then the other??
good point Ralph.
yours in roll harrison.
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pigeon pete
325 posts
Jun 08, 2009
3:55 PM
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If I had more birds I would try single sex kits, but I don't.
I have found a reasonable compromise that makes management easier. I fly my old birds from one shed with 2 kit boxes inside. Cocks in one box and hens in the other. They fly together and feed together (yes and make out as well LOL)after a fly, but on non fly days I feed them separately.
In this way you can cut the cocks back a bit if they are start 'messing about' in the kit.
Only very occasionally I will get a cock and hen pair up properly, and I them remove one or the other from the kit.
It is also handy to fly just the cocks or just the hens if I am looking to identify a good (or a bad ) bird. Say you are short of a cock for the stock loft, just flying the cocks, it is much easier to pick out your best cock in the air if you have all cocks flying together. This system alows me to keep the flying kit in much better condition than if they were all perching together. The time they all spend together stops hens pairing together, less energy is spent on mating activity, and it reduces the amount of food that certain hens will 'beg' from any cocks she can persuade to feed her.
Pete
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rtwilliams
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401 posts
Jun 10, 2009
12:50 PM
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If you can it makes sense to have the sexes seperated. I am thinking of making a kit box with a wire divider. that way the kit can see each other. I want 15 perches on each side. I want the divider removable. I can feed and trap everyone together. Then put the divider in and seperate. If I use snap-on colored bands on the Cock birds, should be easy to seperate quickly.
I hope to get them to fly for an hour. If my birds are approaching 45 to 50 minutes they are starting to mate. Just what I have observed. If I have them fying 20 to 30 minutes I do not have much problems.
I think the feed can is the most important still, like Bill C said. Pigeon Pete has a good point about finding a cock or hen when you need one also.
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Square
721 posts
Jun 10, 2009
1:03 PM
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Thanx RT, It has been workin really well for me I flew the 12 cocks yesterday and the were awsom. The hens will be today, I know the birds are workin well when halfway into the fly I just want them to come down, afraid im gonna loose one to somthing, it's really been a long time sence I had over 20 birds rolling, now I have 27, and alot of young showing promice in the 2 and 3 teams. Another thing Ive noticed is the birds rolling side by side kinda like a comp withen themselves... prettie cool... Thanx for your time..
Square.
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