kopetsa
86 posts
Jun 13, 2009
6:24 PM
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1st and 2nd pics are the same bird.
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winwardrollers
255 posts
Jun 13, 2009
6:50 PM
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I call it Mahogany. It's a red check that is dirt/not clean in pattern.....a spread blue/black in it would be my guess. Look back through color pattern of parents.
bwinward
Last Edited by on Jun 13, 2009 6:58 PM
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kopetsa
88 posts
Jun 13, 2009
8:55 PM
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Umm.. both parents were rec. yellow selfs, and I'm 100% sure about that because they were in breeder pens. :)
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macsrollers
97 posts
Jun 13, 2009
9:33 PM
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I think BWinward has it right. This looks like a Ash Red carrying blue. The spread modifies the pattern and creates what I call a dun. The yellow in the parents is just a mask of what their true color is.
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
262 posts
Jun 13, 2009
11:37 PM
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Kop.. take picks of birds with your flash or out of the shadows,can,t see color to give opinion.JDA
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Kou
5 posts
Jun 14, 2009
9:28 AM
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That bird is dun color. My friend has one look just like that one it a dun.
Trance Lofts
Kou
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
442 posts
Jun 14, 2009
9:38 AM
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Andrew,
It is not a dun since dun is the dilute of black (blue spread). The first one looks like an ash red check carrying blue and either dirty or sooty. Hard to tell because the pics are dark. From the appearance in the picture, I would say the second one is the same. Look like Niebel's?
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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roller_boi
53 posts
Jun 14, 2009
1:40 PM
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i agree with kou
looks like a dun
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JMUrbon
706 posts
Jun 14, 2009
4:53 PM
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I would say the bird is Ash Red carrying blue. Ash red expresses itself in alot of different ways and that is what you are seeing. That is also what some call a Dun and I have heard refered to as "roller dun". Dun is like Sunflower stated a dilute of Black and does not have ash red in it. Look in Levi,s book The Pigeon and it will show you the true dun. You will also notice that a dun will have short down in the nest and an ash red will have long down. A bit late to check on this bird but I would bet it had long down in the nest. joe
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big al
279 posts
Jun 14, 2009
7:33 PM
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Birds are ash red
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Allen Strother (Big Al)
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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