steve49
6 posts
Jun 18, 2009
3:39 PM
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hi all,
i'm planning on building my new kitboxes this weekend. i want to make 3 boxes, but am unsure about size. it seems like 3x3x4' tall would be good. any opinions about that or suggestions? i'm going with a 1x1 wire floor, and box perches on the back wall. i'd really like to hear pros and cons about either side perches, v perches or whatever. someone remarked about how nice it is to see his birds in their box perches on the back wall, which made me think that would be good for me too. thanx in advance
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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toronto15
199 posts
Jun 18, 2009
4:26 PM
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Hi Steve,Hit the search site and type in oldfart kitbox,hit search. His are very well thought out.Welcome.Glen.
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toughrollers
135 posts
Jun 18, 2009
5:24 PM
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steve49 which ever perch design you choose.they all have a advantage and disadvantage.it all comes down to.what you prefer
Toughrollers--Lofts
Ralph
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gentle johnnie
56 posts
Jun 18, 2009
5:47 PM
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Hi Steve49 i'm a newbie also this my first year back after 28 years gone- i have built 2 kit boxs this year first with V second with box think i like V perches the best birds say cleaner they also act like thy like V more- lots of luck with your project this weekend. GODBLESS !!!
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Gentle Johnnie "Angels of the Sky Loft"
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1044 posts
Jun 18, 2009
6:15 PM
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Hey Steve and all, I changed the perch style in my kit box since I posted the original pictures. The new ones were not my idea but I don't remember who posted them. They do work great! The thing I like most is the extra room in the kit box. They are cheap, 11 from an 8' 2x4. Each is 10" long at the base and 7 on the flat, they are cut on a 45% angle on both ends. I just start cutting them and flip the 2x4 for each cut so there is no waste.
Thom
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1045 posts
Jun 18, 2009
6:20 PM
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Hey Steve, look at truword1's box in the current post.
That is about as good as I have seen, there are a lot of good ideas there.
Thgom
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steve49
7 posts
Jun 18, 2009
7:12 PM
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hey Thom, i like truword1's box, but i think his perches are a bit close to each other. i can see young cock's getting into it with each other. i really like your new perch idea, and i think i'll try yours, since simplicity is excellent. did you just screw them to the wall with long screws or is there a bracket i can't see?
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1046 posts
Jun 18, 2009
7:22 PM
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Hey Steve, Those in the kit box are screwed through the plywood walls from the out side. I also use the same design in my brood loft and I glued them with instant grab type construction glue. I like them so much I'm in the process of changing to that style in all of my setup.
Thom
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Wade Hurless
4 posts
Jun 18, 2009
7:50 PM
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Hey All
That is what i went with in my kit box only thing i did different was i screwed mine to a 1x6. Then screwed that to the walls i like em but its all ive ever used. I only have one kit box and we've only had pigeons a lil while.
wade
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steve49
9 posts
Jun 18, 2009
8:01 PM
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wow, i love this place! i ask a question, and a bunch of great people chime in with help and suggestions. i'm already thinking of modifying Thom's perch to make it stand out from the wall a bit more. some kind of sleeve to stand the perch another inch out. thanx again, everyone!
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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gotspin7
2437 posts
Jun 18, 2009
8:05 PM
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Steve49, here are a couple of kit boxes with some of my buddies standing in front of them. You can at least see some different styles.
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Sal Ortiz
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PJ Jimmy
2 posts
Jun 18, 2009
10:08 PM
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hi thom im a newbie ,and i like your perches what type did you have before and why did you change any reoson
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1047 posts
Jun 19, 2009
4:09 AM
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P.J. Jimmy, I have tried several styles, I tried box, "V" (or New Castle) I even have a bar perch that holds up to ten at a time for the hens.
I switched because of the easy cleaning,I just run a four inch putty knife along the back wall and across the top then down each end, done! They are cheap and easy to make. I use the Crown Breeding cage system and when the squeaks leave the nest I replace it with a perch just laying in the cage so they are familiar with them before they go into the weening pen. In the kit box it provides a more open center allowing birds to fly up to a perch easily.
Steve, I tried mounting them on a plate that gave each a space behind the perch but I found it just made it harder to clean and a place to trap small amounts of smelly stuff.
Thom
Last Edited by on Jun 19, 2009 4:10 AM
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rookie from ct
29 posts
Jun 19, 2009
7:50 AM
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Steve I would guess it how much room you have and what you like my kit boxe's are 4ftX4ftX7ft high more room for youngsters to exersize there wings easy to clean and I cam stant inside to make shure birds are calm with me close by Rookie
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Pumpkin Man
105 posts
Jun 19, 2009
7:35 PM
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Steve the dimensions are fine. What I would recommend is 1x2" wire floor though the manure won't clog like it might in a 1x1". I put a tray underneath to catch the manure. It takes longer to build with trays underneath but do it right the first time and you'll be glad you did. My doble kit box is 8 feet long and 3' tall and 3' deep. On the fron I made two doors 4 feet wide 3 feet tall, within that big door I have two smaller doors one is a trap door and the other is an access door. One of the things I messed up on my first box was when I put my training cage on the roof that is basically an L shape that hangs over the edge and down, I couldn't open the door without taking the training cage off. When training young birds I like to have another access door besides the main big door to get them out once they have trapped and then put them back on the roof without having to take the training cage off. Hope this makes sense.
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3103 posts
Jun 19, 2009
8:36 PM
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Pumkin I know what you mean ..what I did was made small door on the side high up like 4 inch by 6..a little trap door and I put the cage on that side this way I can open the door without moving it..
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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steve49
12 posts
Jun 20, 2009
4:50 PM
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great ideas, thanx. hey Pumpkin Man, can you post or send pics?
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1050 posts
Jun 20, 2009
5:41 PM
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Steve, Along with Pumpkin Man's ideas, I'll include mine. The first picture is with everything in place. The welded wire two section floor is plastic coated for easy cleaning. I just lift it out and spray with hose. The pull out tray is lined with oil cloth, ( a sheet plastic found at any dry goods store, for cheap). Then filled to 1/2 inch with sterilized play sand, ( 50 lbs., 3.50 to 4.00$) I clean by sifting with a 10 inch kitchen sieve, it removes all spilt food, poo, feathers, any goo. The sand will not hold smells very easily. The remaining pictures are self explanatory, but note the 1/2 x 1/2 inch mouse proof wire.
Thom
Last Edited by on Jun 20, 2009 5:47 PM
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Pumpkin Man
106 posts
Jun 20, 2009
7:22 PM
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Steve,
E-mail me at billyholleran@yahoo.com and I'll send you some pics not sure how to post them here using photobucket.
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