Joe K
14 posts
Jun 24, 2009
8:19 PM
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After years in this hobby You would think I would have the problem of early dropping kit birds figured out! Im talking 2nd and 3rd plus year old birds, (hens) mostly. Ive found that 1st year kits are well behaved flyers as a whole, but come the 2nd,3rd, and beyond year birds, they seem to start dropping out at random sometimes, Im wondering if anyone else experinces this?? I question myself to the birds being in a mated up condition. I admit I find it pretty darn frustrating when You own a damn good spinner,and the bird starts dopping out of the team. Comments anyone??
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DeepSpinLofts
1420 posts
Jun 24, 2009
8:30 PM
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Give it to me Joe. That should take care of that problem. You will never have to stress about a damn good spinner dropping out of the team again.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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Joe K
15 posts
Jun 24, 2009
9:30 PM
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Marcus, Well,,,,I admit Your answer wasnt what I thought I would receive! LOL I forgot to add that the birds are being flown about every 4 days, on a Yo-Yo diet based around wheat.Also Im thinking perhaps My kit boxes are to large? or letting in to much sunlight?
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DeepSpinLofts
1422 posts
Jun 25, 2009
5:07 AM
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That yo-yo diet sounds like a darn good idea Joe. I need to get back on that type of dietary system with my fliers to keep'em hyperactive.
Hmm... let's see here.
I've been to many roller fanciers lofts all across the state of California and it has dawned on me that the fliers with those very dark kit boxes and tight living conditions have birds that seem to actually kit the best (not roll the best). These have been my observations.
....well anyway
I've been looking at the kit boxes Eddie Verdugo of Southern California has designed, engineered and built with a sense of urgency to try something similar with my family of birds. There's nothing wrong with upgrading your birds living conditions.... heck we human beings do it all the time given the right economic circumstances.
====> "Time 4 Change"!
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
Last Edited by on Jun 25, 2009 5:09 AM
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rookie from ct
38 posts
Jun 25, 2009
5:15 AM
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You know I am just a rookie but cant understand why even older birds cant fly every day they are feed HIGH PROTEAN food and just sit on a perch all day they are birds and that is what birds do fly. Rookie
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bman
672 posts
Jun 25, 2009
6:41 AM
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Joe, I have had the same problem before. If the hen is not eggy put her in with the young birds that are still getting mixed grain and fly her every day.
Like Jay said out of shape.
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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Windjammer Loft
798 posts
Jun 25, 2009
7:28 AM
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Joe ....how often are you flying them?? I fly my older birds sometimes every 2 days. Not everyday like the youngsters. They could also be hungry...
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Jun 25, 2009 7:34 AM
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1068 posts
Jun 25, 2009
7:55 AM
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Joe, I had a simular situation but with my cock's. I started flying them one at a time with the young cocks. When the problem child was kitting with the young cocks, I would add another. It was not long until they were flying much better. At that point I separated them from the young birds and started flying them as an old bird kit. One was still a problem so I cut him but the rest are doing o.k.
Rookie, I fly mine everyday once they are in shape, but I do not fly comp. I fly to keep them in shape, for the exercise and like you, that's what birds do.
Last Edited by on Jun 25, 2009 7:59 AM
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3136 posts
Jun 25, 2009
9:53 AM
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Paul he said every 4 day.they might be out of shape Joe ,.you might want to give mix on firt day and wheat on rest days or play with the mix on all days see what happens.
rookie from ct the reason you don't want to fly old birds every day because they will go stiff on you and they need more rest from working more.
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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birdman
722 posts
Jun 25, 2009
11:04 AM
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Joe,
You didn't mention anything about the work rate of those birds.
Are they rolling their butts off and getting tired?
If so, I would give them more feed and see if that keeps them from dropping out early.
Russ
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winwardrollers
263 posts
Jun 25, 2009
11:22 AM
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J Star... had some good advice.. that the birds are out of condition.
If they are mixed with cocks in the kit box.. then reduce the feed to the cocks that need it.
Four day fly time is to long of a rest..I would go to three days.
If the hen's presist to come down then let them take care of young birds that are being weened or cull.
Feed them more than wheat........small amounts.. but something more than wheat.
A good bird will stay in the kit if it is feed proper..if flown every third day there is no reason that they can not roll for two hours before they come down.
Just because one can breed good birds doesn't mean they cqan fly them...flying is a art..some guys just have it and other will fly for years and never get it..I may be in the last catagory..lol
Bwinward
Last Edited by on Jun 25, 2009 8:30 PM
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p,robo
23 posts
Jun 25, 2009
2:27 PM
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have the birds been paired up and reared young if they have they will have lost a lot of condition some birds willl start kitting after two or three times some will take a month or longer just fly your old birds every two or three days and throw these birds up when the others are coming lower they usually fly seperate from the kit but with time they will kit up i give these birds a bit extra food aswell when they are right they will fly,just my observations.
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Joe K
16 posts
Jun 25, 2009
10:47 PM
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Gentelman, After reading Your comments, I know now that there are more than a few changes that I could make. I would like to thank all of You for Your sugestions, now the rest is up to Me. I will let You know if I make progress reguarding this post in the future. Thanks Again, Joe K.
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