cr250
258 posts
Jun 25, 2009
12:17 AM
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So did everyone like it?How was it? I wish I could of attended.Nice pics Paul.I would like to see some more pictures of some of birds that were there on display?Have not seen to much about the convention except how bad Paul's kit did and how everyone thinks Ruby's suck.I hope everyone had a good time.
Brian
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Squabby*32
23 posts
Jun 25, 2009
12:24 AM
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You missed a good time Brian. It was a pleasure to be around other roller people, talking about the little creature that manages to bring so many people together on a positive level. I met many new friends and also I learned a thing or two from some of the other convention attendees.
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COYOTE33
191 posts
Jun 25, 2009
6:13 AM
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i must say i had a great time at the convention, i came in friday nite just in time for the banquet, saw some nice birds at the auction and i had the opportunity to meet some really nice guys. i didnt see the kits on friday but it was said i didnt miss anything, that doesnt mean those guys didnt have good birds but the guys i saw on saturday had nice birds. this one guy the second to the last kit we saw had some nice spinners and eventho the last kit had to deal with the winds they were still trying to rip the sky. its a shame so much negativity came out of such a good time and i must say paul kept his composure. i kept calling him a hippy with pigeons he's a cool dude! i got a chance to talk to Frank Lavin which was great and also meet deep spin marcus, and ronnie,big mike,cooper,felipe those guys were a riot.i met Richard Reyes and i must say im really impressed by him.it was a pleasure being with my boy Gregg Truesdale from NC, so u couldnt ask for more than that, just a great time over all and thats the way it should be.
coyote
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
1946 posts
Jun 25, 2009
8:10 AM
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Carl,
I think they registered 169. How many did we have in Texas?
Cliff
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turkey buzzard
107 posts
Jun 25, 2009
10:26 AM
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You know Cliff I really don't don't know how many were in Texas. I had heard that about 90 a day showed up and there was 169 for all three days combined. which seems low. I was hoping the recession hadn't affected the convention attendance. Do you have any idea who might step forward for the next one.
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
1948 posts
Jun 25, 2009
11:12 AM
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I think the economy definitely had an impact....a lot of men wouldn't take the risk of taking off work. I'm trying to encourage the Richmond Virginia club to step up next year.
Cliff
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fhtfire
1979 posts
Jun 25, 2009
11:27 AM
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On the buses the first day we had 108 and on the second day we had about 88.....we had about 15 or so in cars following the first day and about the same amount the second day. We lost some guys on the second day that did not attend due to the Beer flu and the first day we had about 5 or six from the bay area that had to work.
At the dinner we were at about 160 meals served....I think a little more.
We had some that did not show that could not attend and they rented rooms....because life came up!!...
According to Bob...we were pretty close to the numbers of the last 3 or 4 years give or take a few guys.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Newbie 08
174 posts
Jun 25, 2009
12:04 PM
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I really had a blast1 What's up Jeff! Paul is really a great guy to be around.
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Square
734 posts
Jun 25, 2009
12:27 PM
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Right on Paul it sounds like it was a HOOT, My plan was to go however we hade a few lightning fires on the forest so I was tyed up movin dirt..Prettie crazy how things can go, as far as thease rollers and what people think about one another, but it's prettie cool how you have kept your cool. I still dont really understand the "BEEF", and find it really hard to see how you got caught up in all this, Ive read the post's and still have a hard time seeing what the deal is. Wonder what it woud be like for the person or persons flying 100% Ruby's LOL... As from my understanding you made your own Fam-bam using the Ruby's as a cross, However its like you takin a Hammering as if that was the only blood you have...I dont see how a cross could validate one family or another being good or bad. Im still looking for someone who flys 100% Ruby's to steep up, That was the only question Ive ever had. I heard you were gonna put down some pairs of the Ruby's and hope to see you do well, But dont let proving the Ruby's take away from your main focus,, ya Kno. as you have done really well and are a insperation to alot of folks.. I think your a good rollerman and have done alot on diffrent levels for the hobbie just dont get "Relled" into wasting time proving someone elses birds... Tony knows what he has and has put alot of work into his family and this site that's obvious. Just keep workin those Rollers that's what it's anout...1
Booker
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
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fhtfire
1980 posts
Jun 25, 2009
1:33 PM
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The convention was a blast...I met so many cool people and put the names with the faces....It was nice to meet the Likes of Frank Lavin, Reed...etc...who are the originals!!!
As far as the Rubys go....it funny how short peoples memories are....when Qualified for the Finals in 06 and won our Club fly...I had PURE rubys and Morts in the kit....the only had a couple crosses....and I had like 130 raw in 9 minutes during the finals when two birds collided in mid air and got hurt and came down (DQ)...A majority of the kit was Pure RUby....
anyway...this is the first year of all crosses....I am glad that KGB did not respond..because after I thought of it...I would be wasting 30 perches for pure Rubys and not crosses and losing my focus over a little beef..
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Steve_uk
1306 posts
Jun 25, 2009
1:38 PM
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Good stuff Paul i've always thought you was a cool guy and you are chin up buddy dont let the losers get you down.
Ste...
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
1949 posts
Jun 25, 2009
2:11 PM
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Paul,
I am sorta surprised that Ken has not had the cahones to man up, here......and it IS interesting that he wasn't asking how the Rubys were doing when you won your region against his same family of birds.....But I'm glad you and Ken have settled this matter. That says a lot about both of you. It always amazes me how trivial these misunderstandings can become when the two involved talk direct. What is it about thae internet that magnifies and intensifies normal words into formal challenges? If you figure it out , I would like to know!
Cliff
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Scott
2255 posts
Jun 25, 2009
2:59 PM
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What family of birds is that Cliff ? if you are refering to mine, my own are my own good or bad.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
1950 posts
Jun 26, 2009
5:33 AM
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Scott,
I was speaking of the Kiser-Borges birds down from Sparks and McCully in general, which several of you are flying out there. Point well-taken, though. The birds you fly are, indeed, your family of birds. I thought that your base family had its beginnings in the Billings family, though, correct? It is logical for KGB to be interested in how his birds are working out for you. I am sure you have moved them in your own direction and after all this time, and personally working the pairings to suit you,they are more rightly called Campbell birds. But you have to agree that the Billings family, Kiser-Borges line was where you started with your family. Am I correct? If that is incorrect, I guess I misunderstood how you, Bill Crider, JV Broek, and some of the other guys have developed your families.
Now that I have seen some of your birds, I am interested in their background...that's all. Maybe you can set me straight on that.
Cliff
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cr250
259 posts
Jun 26, 2009
1:00 PM
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Glad to hear you guys had a good time.I couldn't make it because works been slow and just couldn't afford to go up there.
Brian
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Bill C
393 posts
Jun 26, 2009
5:45 PM
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Hi Cliff, There was an post from one of the English guys? who found a site from Art Lee. Art has a nice website on Borges and Kiser birds and how they came to aquire them. It is a very interesting story. I think they got the birds mainly form Herb Sparks who got his birds from McCully. Herb gave the birds to Borges and Kiser to keep for him while moving or something and that is how they got the birds. I think Ken Billings got birds from Herb Sparks also? So they are related if you go back far enough. Kiser will say that some birds are slate stuff, 272, 514, Mc Cully and his dummy line.
I could be wrong but Borges and Billings got birds from the same source but different times. Scott can let you know more info on his birds and Billings birds.
Bill C
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
1951 posts
Jun 26, 2009
6:39 PM
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Thanks for the info, Bill. Do you happen to know the web address for the Art Lee site? By the way, Chan found my glasses and sent them to me....Thanks, Chan!
Did you get the bird box from Jedd's, Bill? I ordered it on Monday. Let me know when you get the birds out.
Cliff
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Bill C
394 posts
Jun 26, 2009
8:53 PM
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Cliff, this is what i got on Art Lees web site. ( ( home.inreach.com/ylee/rollers ) If you type in "Art Lee's rollers", in the google search you can find it. That is the way I find most stuff.
I did get the box today. I tried to call the West Sacto Post office but could not get through on the phone before they closed today. I need to call them and get all the information on shipping. I will definately call you with all the details. I would like to try and get them out Monday or Tuesday if possible. I need to make sure the 4th of July will not affect them. I am worried about the hot weather we have right now but next week might be cooler. Tony this is about a few birds Cliff purchased from the NBRC auction and no birds are being sold here. Thanks you. I will call you Cliff and maybe we should discuss all the details over the phone. Bill C
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DeepSpinLofts
1427 posts
Jun 27, 2009
3:17 AM
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Brian it was a magnificently marvelous event. I visited Scott Campbell, Art Lee and several other fliers lofts and had a wonderful time!
Too bad you missed it.
{P.S.) Hi Bill C... if there is no problem can you provide the link to Art Lee's website on the Borges & Kiser birds and how they came to acquire them.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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AK-Roller Loft
143 posts
Jun 27, 2009
8:02 AM
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Marcus I had a Borges Cock From Micheal Painter, It was 1/2 Reed, but it got out too soon by accident and never seen it since, I was so bummed out, it wasen't meant to be I guess..
640-08 EZR
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Scott
2256 posts
Jun 27, 2009
9:13 AM
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Cliff, the only common thread is that they go back Mc Cauly way back many decades ago, all of them are completly different families.
One thing that I have learned is that it comes down to the particular birds used to form a line or family and not the name behind them,and until people learn that they will be on the continual hunt trying to find the magic pigeons.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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DeepSpinLofts
1429 posts
Jun 27, 2009
9:22 AM
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Beautiful looking bird AK. Expression and form (body type) are of the right type for proper rolling in my opinion.
Hmm.....
I think most of us have at least one bird around the loft that looks very similar to that bird.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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Bill C
395 posts
Jun 27, 2009
10:23 PM
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Hi Marcus, I put a link above to Arts page. If you google search "ART LEES ROLLERS" It should also come up. I searched the archives above under HARRISON because I know a new guy from England had first posted it on here but I could not find it. But Basically Pensom died and his birds went to McCully and when he died, the birds went to Herb Sparks and Herb gave them to Borges and Kiser to hold for him for a while and they bred them and kept the off spring. Bill C
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
1952 posts
Jun 28, 2009
9:56 AM
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Scott,
I agree...it's all about particular individual pigeons....hopefully well inbred particular individual pigeons to improve the odds of reproducing themselves. But the background speaks to what one might expect with respect to handling and mangement...
Bill
So are you of the opinon that Pensom bred one tightly bred family or did he have several different lines going, do you think?
Cliff
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3757
1261 posts
Jun 28, 2009
10:20 AM
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Cliff - It is a fact that he had several.
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Bill C
396 posts
Jun 28, 2009
4:12 PM
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Cliff from what I have read and that is the only information I have on what Pensom said about breeding is from him, I think 3757 is right. He imported many birds and I dont think for one minute that he honed in one pair (cream of the crop as Scott has done) made them his established family.
I have no problem with Scott way either, Many guys bred from one foundation cock or hen or pair and estabished a close, tight nit family of birds. But there are others who have several good gene pools and many good performers and to get rid of them all but one would be a mistake and we would lose many good bloodlines. You also have Borges, Kiser, Micheal Curtis, and 3757 who I suspect all have some really good birds that produce great spinners and if they all stuck to just one foundation pair we would have lost many great birds that are out there today.
Pensom did say he like Scientific breeding, which was mating close relative or inbreeding. But you can see from his pictures he had many birds famous and a colorful loft. So I am sure he put many birds together that were related be it cousins or son to parrent or grandonson to mother ect. But he also would have experimented to establish what he thought was the best to best matings. Rememeber he was an Englishman and in his book he talks of the older Englishmen and how they paired up birds. Some close and other crosses.
One of the best reads on Pensom was printed in the NBRC magazine May/June 2008 on page 68 and 69-72 submitted by Dan Ouellette. Title was Methods of breeding and the pedigree. That is worth buying a back issue from the NBRC if any guys want to read it.
I would like to focus on a few super producing pairs but I would not get rid of all the other birds just to have a unisom performance kit. I think why not have both. Having other birds and not just one click pair would always give a guy room to cross with out ever having to need for an outcross from another loft. You could have three or five different related bloodlines going on at one place if you have the time to keep and care for more birds. But over the long hall you would be picking out the absolute best birds and they would prodominately be coming from a few pairs. But I have been mixing them up and this is showing what birds will throw the goods. Bill C
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
1953 posts
Jun 30, 2009
6:01 PM
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Thanks for the feedback, Bill. I'll have to dig up that old article and re-read it.
LaRon,
So can we assume that the birds McCully got were really several different lines or several completely different families and just because the birds came from McCully, they could all be very different in style, management, etc.? Interesting History. Refresh my memory. Where did your line of Pensoms come down from? I know you told me once, but after my trip to California, I have a different reality on the subject now, than I did from 3000 miles away! LOL!
Thanks,
Cliff
PS Too bad you couldn't make it to the convention. I would have enjoyed meeting you, as I did so many... What part of California do you live in?
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