bman
673 posts
Jun 25, 2009
7:17 AM
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Another post prompted this. I have found with my birds that 90% of the culls are created not bred. The poor kitters,early droppers,bumpers,tree sitters,even some rolldowns.
I have made just about every mistake out there,but most times thes are caused by feed or improper manangement.
A lot of these problems seem to be feed oriented or from pushing young birds along too fast.Over flying young birds,
poor nutrition,flagging to get a longer fly time have all contributed to some of these problems. If diagnosed early enough a lot of these can be prevented or cured. Maybe not the birds you want in the stock loft but excellent kit birds if you need them. I also understand that some are of the opinion why bother with a bird that needs individual handling? Well some might not be blessed with a better bird to replace it at that given time.And since we created the problem some times it can be fixed to where the bird can be an asset to the team. Just my opinion.
Ron
Borderline lofts
Last Edited by on Jun 25, 2009 7:30 AM
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nicksiders
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3489 posts
Jun 25, 2009
7:20 AM
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I know her well
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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Oldfart
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1070 posts
Jun 25, 2009
8:15 AM
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Ron, My situation may be unique but I have a self imposed limitation of 50 birds on the property. This number includes young birds, breeders, and hold over kit birds. I am located in very close proximity to my neighbors and in consideration for them I keep my numbers low. And in truth that is about all I can afford to feed and care for.
Now, I am guilty of all the mistakes you mentioned and a few more. I will give any bird several chances but I simply can't afford in space or money to keep every bird every year. So... I keep only the best from year to year. I don't like it but it's that or not have my birds at all. I'm not disagreeing with you, just pointing out there are circumstances that force hard decisions.
Thom
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bman
674 posts
Jun 25, 2009
9:20 AM
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Thom, I agree 100%,but if you learn how to fix problems you then can also learn how not to create them! I have raised and trained bird dogs for twenty years. And have "fixed" dozens of problem dogs fron gun shy to agressive and everthing in between. All man made by the way.I just think some time we are too quick to cull for a problem that we created and we can fix. And some are just not worth the effort.
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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PR_rollers
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3135 posts
Jun 25, 2009
9:45 AM
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Ron I agree with you I understnd what Thom is saying also.... but if we learn from our or others mistakes we can have less problem to deal with ,like if there is nothing broken there is nothing to fix... for instance you might have a young bird that banks alot because you din't understand or have the common sence to know he wants to drop on it kitbox so you flag it and made it bank on a tree..let it drop let it know he can on his kitbox .. if a bird is going through the Moult don't fly as much let it rest feed lots of feed like safflower seeds.this is the stage it is in most pain as in the 7,8,9 primarys this is the time it can roll down and you can prevent it.birds that come into the roll if you over fly them they can roll down so fly every other day give them time to mature..feed your youngster a good protien mix while they are developing their muscles which they will need when they start practicing ..good post.. ---------
Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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Oldfart
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1072 posts
Jun 25, 2009
9:47 AM
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Ron, 100% in accord, an once of prevention is better the a pound of cure. I'm learning, sometimes the hard way but still learning. Thanks my friend, you are finest kind!
Thom
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bman
675 posts
Jun 25, 2009
10:22 AM
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Ralph,exactly what I am talking about.
Thom,shhhhhhhhhhh somebody might think I am ok.lol
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Ron
Borderline lofts
Last Edited by on Jun 25, 2009 10:23 AM
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