bigwilly
1019 posts
Jul 01, 2009
5:14 PM
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Whoever is going to fly I need your numbers so I can start making the flight times. Also include your address thanks. The first round will be on the 25th 26th sat and sun. The first person to fly will be around 5 or 6 am. As soos as the sun comes up. Also let me know what day is best for you. Thanks. Email wsmith2748@aol.com
BIG WILLY
TOPP FLIGHT/NCRC
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Scott
2278 posts
Jul 01, 2009
6:17 PM
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Why would'nt every one just fly their best ? few young bird teams are even worth watching.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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kham89
233 posts
Jul 01, 2009
9:04 PM
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When will the deadline be for this? I have about 6 08s in my kit and thinking if I fly I will have to make a swap.
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kham thao
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JMUrbon
718 posts
Jul 01, 2009
9:18 PM
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Scott, He has been talking about this for a couple weeks now and you even posted that you wanted to play in a earlier post.
Willie Sunday would work best for me.
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Scott
2282 posts
Jul 01, 2009
9:33 PM
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I didn't catch that they had to be young birds Joe, shouldn't we all be flying our best ?
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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fhtfire
1989 posts
Jul 02, 2009
8:55 AM
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Scott,
I think it is just for some fun and hang out time..most dont have a kit of older birds going...I will talk for me...I could not even put up an old birds kit right now...I am down to 15.....So I think just to keep the fun going.....Big Willy wants an 09 fly....I am cool with it....I get to see the potential in the other kits and rank them against how mine are coming along....but I think it is mostly because nobody could put a full kit of old birds together.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Scott
2283 posts
Jul 02, 2009
9:07 AM
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So we handicap everyone then ? Hmmm, sounds like our liberal run school system
(but I think it is mostly because nobody could put a full kit of old birds together)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
307 posts
Jul 02, 2009
4:29 PM
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Scott.. NCRC used to do a young birds fly.Birds from all members that wanted to fly, were trained by one person from say April to say November.Each member could enter up to two birds. After the fly on a set date the birds were auction off 50-50 club and owner. The club used to have a kit pen for this and was sent to the persons house that volunteered to host the young bird fly for that year.JDA
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JMUrbon
719 posts
Jul 02, 2009
7:01 PM
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I really hadnt thought of it as handicapping any body Scott but more as a fun day to get together. This has been a voluntary fun fly and rather than feel handicapped. Dont fly. I would much rather have you fly. I enjoy the BS-ing that goes on at the flies and I feel that you could give some valuable advise to some of the guys about training and the pros and cons of how their young teams fly. Joe
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Scott
2291 posts
Jul 02, 2009
7:45 PM
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Fun flys are great Joe, and it is allways good just hanging out and watching the birds with friends, but why wouldn't we want to see everyones best ?
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
308 posts
Jul 02, 2009
7:49 PM
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Joe I know you have to remember the young bird kit flies? JDA
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JMUrbon
720 posts
Jul 02, 2009
7:56 PM
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I have to agree with you Scott. That was not the option put in front of me however and I was more than happy to fly whatever I had. This is not a club fly but rather a fly put on by a club member for fun and I commend him for trying to put this together. Should be a fun day. Joe
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Bill C
400 posts
Jul 02, 2009
8:57 PM
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The thing is here to have a young bird fly which means only birds banded 2009 can fly in this fly. It gives the new guys a chance to fly in comp and not get 10 points while others will get 175 points. It makes the flying for first time flyers more fun and competitive with all young birds.
I agree Scott mature solid performers are better to watch but this is focusing on just young birds. They have had young bird flies in England and in the old days also. I read where Pensom always would win in old bird flys but did not always win in the young bird flies.
The best three kits here will fly against the best three in the Bay area as I understood.
I know that a young bird team has 10 birds drop and only five or four actually roll and the rest just tail ride or go down with the group. They have hardly any good quality but they have action and the action is what is going to win in this paticular fly. The scores would be very low if the judge is really focusing on good birds but as you see most will call a break even if 7 do something up there.
Again the point is to get the new guys with out holdover birds to fly and see that they have fun on a fly and may incourage some to fly in the fall fly. Most dont want to just jump in a big fly and pay $50 to have a judge tell them they have young birds but keep up the good work.
I may not be able to make the fly and since Willy needs to know now I have to bail out because of some serious problems I have but I will be there for the fall fly and if I can make the trip around to see birds I will definately go if I can? Bill C
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Scott
2293 posts
Jul 02, 2009
9:51 PM
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So Bill, should we just call this the first annual socialist Obama Fly ? couldn't we just force them to quit by taxing the hell out of them instead ?
( It gives the new guys a chance to fly in comp and not get 10 points while others will get 175 points. It makes the flying for first time flyers more fun and competitive with all young birds)
Your kidding, right ? shouldn't we all hold hands or something also ?
(I know that a young bird team has 10 birds drop and only five or four actually roll and the rest just tail ride or go down with the group. They have hardly any good quality but they have action and the action is what is going to win in this paticular fly.)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jul 02, 2009 9:58 PM
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
309 posts
Jul 02, 2009
10:19 PM
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The young bird flies this club use to have was for fellowship and for the new members to be able to have there birds in comp and they had a chance to bid on some good birds from the club members best stock.JDA
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Scott
2295 posts
Jul 02, 2009
10:49 PM
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JDA , this has allways been a weak region in the past,it is just now starting to step it up ,why go backwards ?
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Bricksfall
21 posts
Jul 02, 2009
11:11 PM
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If you believe your region is weak. You might want to bring it up in a club meet. Posting it on the internet is not the best way to let your fellow flyer and club members know how you feel.
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GEORGE ALDANA
HIGH GRAVITY LOFT
Last Edited by on Jul 04, 2009 1:19 PM
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
311 posts
Jul 02, 2009
11:35 PM
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Yep Sac was week Redding and Orland and Red Bluff was very strong but we sure got down there for the functions and they would come up for ours.The young bird fly would just be one of the club activities.Scott you should be able to fly the clubs kit for a few months of your spare time!You could do it for the club.lol JDA
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bigwilly
1021 posts
Jul 03, 2009
2:49 AM
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To all the respectful people on this site. Sorry I had to show my blackness
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BIG WILLY
TOPP FLIGHT/NCRC
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bigwilly
1022 posts
Jul 03, 2009
2:54 AM
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As a matter of fact. Screw the fly. Im out. Just wanted to have some fun but some people always want to have an oppinion about something. So im going back to the plantation and pick my cotton. Good job Scott.
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BIG WILLY
TOPP FLIGHT/NCRC
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PJ Jimmy
30 posts
Jul 03, 2009
5:04 AM
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maybe scott, should try and pick on mike tyson.LOL
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Scott
2296 posts
Jul 03, 2009
7:32 AM
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Your frigging kidding right ? read the context of the post Will , I could give a shit about skin color and any one that knows me knows that,racism is the ultimate of stupidity ,you even suggesting it is childish and that finger points right back to the source, God forbid that someone has an opinion on something.
(Hey Scott. What the does Obama have to do with anything? Is it because im black you had to bring up Obama? What a . I said it and if you have a problem with what I said I am not hard to find. People like you it up for everybody. Sometime you need to shut the up. Always makin a big deal out of nothing. Racist PIGGG)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jul 03, 2009 8:29 AM
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
312 posts
Jul 03, 2009
8:09 AM
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Scott.. Who is going backwards?JDA
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Scott
2297 posts
Jul 03, 2009
8:32 AM
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(I know that a young bird team has 10 birds drop and only five or four actually roll and the rest just tail ride or go down with the group. They have hardly any good quality but they have action and the action is what is going to win in this paticular fly.)
JDA, What is this above teaching the new flyers ?
(Scott.. Who is going backwards?JDA )
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jul 03, 2009 8:34 AM
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Scott
2298 posts
Jul 03, 2009
8:39 AM
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Yea, God forbid an opinion on something,no one said you can't do this and there is interest in it,why would you quit ? over an opinion ?
(As a matter of fact. Screw the fly. Im out. Just wanted to have some fun but some people always want to have an oppinion about something. So im going back to the plantation and pick my cotton. Good job Scott.)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
313 posts
Jul 03, 2009
8:41 AM
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Scott..That your a hard head?? I don,t know you thank?? Willy like I said,this club use to have lots of young bird flies and had lots of fun.JDA
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fhtfire
1990 posts
Jul 03, 2009
8:51 AM
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First off.....
Scott...the 09 fly is just for shits and giggles and to be honest...NOBODY has birds..I have 14 in my A-team...and that is because the 4 I donated to the auction dropped me...and I culled one for being a retard.....We just want to fly pigeons.....and there is a benefit to watching young birds fly....You get to see how the different lofts are coming along with there young birds.....again..just a fun fly...no difference then haning out with the fella's....and nobody really had alot of birds left...I think Bill, Ken and Dwight are the only ones that could field a full team.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Scott
2299 posts
Jul 03, 2009
8:52 AM
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My hard head ? Gee I never been accused of that before LOL LOL
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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fhtfire
1991 posts
Jul 03, 2009
9:23 AM
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Big Willy,
First off...you back out...you have already lost...second..Scott is NOT a racist....a political joke is not a racist comment...trust me...Scott took plenty of jokes when Bush was in..LOL!!....it was a political joke.....nothing more and nothing less...
Being a Socialist is not a racist comment....You know I am a straight shooter and I will be the first to back up a brotha when a racist comment is thrown out...and being American Indian myself and hearing the racist issues my grandfather had to put up with...makes me sick to my stomach...anyway....I really dont feel it was an attack on Obama because he is Black....History was made.....Rob and Mookie were over the other day and Rob said that when he was a kid..his own teacher said he would never grow up to see a Black President...and look at how far we have all come...so dont take a step back when the black man has taken two steps forward...again...you know me Willy and you know I would jump Scotts shit or anybody elese shit over a racist comment....
Second...you better not back out of this fly...dont let one persons comments ruin the whole bunch...everyone else is on board.....YOu have done a great job....so KEEP IT UP>...trust me....when you run something you have to have some tough skin....being the 9B director...every year you hear someobody bitch about something....dont stress....let put the birds up!!
Rock and ROLL
Paul
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STUDENT 2 THE GAME
101 posts
Jul 03, 2009
1:01 PM
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This is the type of BS that is not caused for !! It makes no sense at all . For us new guys in this hobby who just want to fly , and to not get no support from the vetrans is sad ..... I support all functions and go to all our flies to support the guys and also learn . With thaat being said I myself am starting to think I made a bad choice in becomeing a member . I no I have no pull or anything but I do no that if someone is trying to better ther sport and get more people involved in this hobby ...one shouldnt put him down or ruin it for others....
As a kid I was told " If you dont have something good to say dont say s...!!
and thats " Just my Opinion "
Larry
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Bricksfall
22 posts
Jul 03, 2009
3:44 PM
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Willy, you don't need Scott's approval to get this off the ground. Make it happen, like Paul said. Don't let one person ruin it. A political joke can be a racist comment. It depends when you say it, who you say it to and how you say it. Scott ment to come off like an ass, and he did. Scott still has'nt said, I did'nt mean for it to sound like that. That's not what I ment. And he won't. Ohh well, that's life. Bla,Bla,Bla. Scott your Opinion is worth less than your birds.
"Just my Opinion"
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GEORGE ALDANA
HIGH GRAVITY LOFT
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JMUrbon
722 posts
Jul 03, 2009
3:55 PM
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Willy, I would strongly encourage you to rethink this through. You have become a familliar face at the flies and club functions and I hate to see that ruined for you and for tthe rest of us who have enjoyed your company. Dont let one mans words change what you have grown to enjoy.
PS. In regards to Bills post I dont believe that we should judge these young bird kits any different than we would judge an old bird kit. If it is a scorable break, then score it. No pitty scores because I do believe that is sending the wrong message to a new flier. I truely hope that is not how you are expecting this fun fly to be scored. Joe
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A Proven Family of Spinners
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Last Edited by on Jul 03, 2009 4:01 PM
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
316 posts
Jul 03, 2009
4:57 PM
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JMUrbon.. You remember that the club had all young bird and mixed kit flies just to have the new and limited space fliers a chance to fly with us in the 80s and 90s and you could fly 20 birds or 12 birds,some had a hard time getting 12 birds.JDA
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JMUrbon
724 posts
Jul 03, 2009
5:04 PM
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I do remember the 12 and 20 bird flies. I have always enjoyed any fly. Willy is a great guy and I truely hope he reconsiders and continues with his young bird fly. We will make it a great day. Actually Joe back then I was one of those new fliers with limited space. You and all of the rest of the " Varsity " fliers were always willing to help us young guys out. That is what kept us around for so long. We built lasting frienships and I hope that will continue. Joe
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Scott
2308 posts
Jul 03, 2009
5:15 PM
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George, I don't think that way or play that shit so therefore there is nothing for me to say,as for your comment on "my" birds, funny I have never seen "your" name on any score sheets, in fact I don't even know who the hell you are.
(Willy, you don't need Scott's approval to get this off the ground. Make it happen, like Paul said. Don't let one person ruin it. A political joke can be a racist comment. It depends when you say it, who you say it to and how you say it. Scott ment to come off like an ass, and he did. Scott still has'nt said, I did'nt mean for it to sound like that. That's not what I ment. And he won't. Ohh well, that's life. Bla,Bla,Bla. Scott your Opinion is worth less than your birds.)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jul 03, 2009 5:16 PM
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fhtfire
1992 posts
Jul 03, 2009
7:07 PM
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George and everyone....NOTHING SCOTT SAID WAS RACIST....Socialism has nothing to do with race..it has to do with how a government operates...US is Capitalism..every man for himself....Europe..France and Canada for that matter...Socialism....and next in line is Communism...AKA Russia...North Korea...China....so what that has to do with race I dont know....a racist comment is just that....so it DOES not depend on how you say it....
As far as the fly.....thats Scotts opinion...cause he does not like to have fun unless its circus migets...smoking reefer...
rock and ROLL
Paul
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3153 posts
Jul 03, 2009
7:46 PM
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Hey for all you new guys Scott is Scott you get use to it.If Scott was racist he wouldn't be here hanging out because there is all kind here and plus he wouldn't have any black or blue check birds lol..is all good...
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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toughrollers
165 posts
Jul 03, 2009
8:10 PM
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Hey guys don't let this get out of control like it happened a few weeks back on a different post/subject.
We all have opinions and we all should be tolerant of everyones views. I have learnt that it is not worth it.
Lets enjoy our roller pigeons
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Toughrollers--Lofts
Ralph
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bigwilly
1023 posts
Jul 03, 2009
8:14 PM
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I did go to far in calling Scott a racist. I have always respected Scott and everyone one on this site and I will continue to do so. I know that Scott has a great knowledge of BRs and I enjoy being around him listening and learning. My public apology goes out to Scott. I was out of line and out of my character
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BIG WILLY
TOPP FLIGHT/NCRC
Last Edited by on Jul 03, 2009 8:18 PM
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bigwilly
1024 posts
Jul 03, 2009
8:20 PM
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In addition. Some of those 09 birds will probably b in you A team for the fall fly. Trust Me.
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BIG WILLY
TOPP FLIGHT/NCRC
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3156 posts
Jul 03, 2009
8:33 PM
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Alright BigWilly they don't call you big for nothing..
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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kcfirl
590 posts
Jul 03, 2009
8:52 PM
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Hi Will,
you're organizin the fly so you get to run it however your want - my hat is off to you.
I am sincerely appreciuative that someone else is willing to come forward and do some organizing.
I have been on Scott for years to get a lcal club going on his way and nothing has happened.
Please continue.
Sincerely,
Ken
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Scott
2309 posts
Jul 03, 2009
9:01 PM
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Thanks Willy, and I took playing the Devils advocate a little too far, good luck and enjoy the fly , I might add that the deversity is one of the things that makes this sport so great, it is truely what America is all about.
(I did go to far in calling Scott a racist. I have always respected Scott and everyone one on this site and I will continue to do so. I know that Scott has a great knowledge of BRs and I enjoy being around him listening and learning. My public apology goes out to Scott. I was out of line and out of my character)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Scott
2310 posts
Jul 03, 2009
9:08 PM
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Ken,we are all freinds again so don't be a dick LOL,besides I flew the CCRC hard for a lot of years, we were extreamly competitive and flew a 5 series fly in the Spring Feb-June and a 3 series fly in the Fall Sept-Nov.
I honestlty wanted and needed a a break and plus it allowed me to concentrate on the stock loft more, besides I am 40 miles from a real town, not sure what you thought I should do as you guys wouldn't pick me up, not that it matters as I have fallen in with the Central Valley Roller Club.
Scott
PS wheres my frigging Blue Diamond Smoked Almonds and Dun Hen you shmuck ?
( have been on Scott for years to get a lcal club going on his way and nothing has happened.
Please continue.
Sincerely,
Ken )
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jul 03, 2009 9:09 PM
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bigwilly
1025 posts
Jul 03, 2009
9:18 PM
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Hey Scott. I think that it will b a real benefit to the club and members if you fly. You are one of the vets in our club and it will only b a benefit if you participate.
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BIG WILLY
TOPP FLIGHT/NCRC
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Bill C
401 posts
Jul 03, 2009
9:35 PM
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Boy am I glad I missed all this and I am glad it all smothed over.
Scott, I was not saying that this is how the fly should go. It all depends on the judge. That is really what I meant but young bird breaks. Sorry guys for getting things strung out. We have had plenty of local judging that was just like that here in Sacto NCRC flying group. And we had some good qualified judges also, which I could name. Joe Urban, Mike Waldon and Scott Campbell before. I dont want to name all the guys who counted action but they have been here also. I didnt hear much complaining at the end of the flies with lose judging. Same as with the big flies either. So anyway. didn't mean to get the fire going.
NOW I KNOW HOW KGB felt with his statements. I suppose I could have been accused of instagating a conflick when that is not what I intended. Bill C
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winwardrollers
268 posts
Jul 04, 2009
7:36 AM
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I seem that a young bird fly would be schedule for the Fall... to give the young birds some maturity...you guys must get breeding ealier than we do around here...It is not until mid February that we get started breeding. Five month old birds would not be much fun to watch..you get the birds 7 or 8 months old.... it maybe.. worth the gas to drive around and watch.
It does give the new guys a chance to..play..
bwinward
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fhtfire
1993 posts
Jul 04, 2009
9:02 AM
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Some do get started early here....The weather is not as bad as Utah...I usually put my breeders together right after Xmas......give or take a few days
rock and ROLL
Paul
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BA Rollers
262 posts
Jul 04, 2009
9:08 AM
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Scott, don't you just love it when a black person automatically calls you a racist because you don't like Obama. It always amazes me of the absolutely ignorant comments and assumptions people can make about others because they don't share their opinion. I do tend to agree with you about sponsoring young bird flys in that it can have the tendency to make people try to breed for earlier developing birds, etc. Knowing that your birds are like mine in that regard, mine don't really come in until they are past 6 months old. I suggest I guess its more of just a get-together thing.
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kcfirl
592 posts
Jul 04, 2009
9:55 AM
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Hi Scott,
yes we are friends and I value your friendship. Of course being the good friends and brothers in the Lord means we can be honest with each other and still be friends right?
I only wanted to let Willy know that I support anyones efforts to get more flies going that hopefully bring more of the nonflyers on board and get them involved - that is all.
And by the way - that is a Dun cock and don;t you forget it! LOL
Thanks buddy,
Ken
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