Tony Chavarria
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3443 posts
Jul 11, 2009
4:34 PM
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ANNOUNCING
2009 World Cup USA Central Region Winner Bill Roy is downsizing and is letting go of 11 hens and 11 cockbirds from a few of his kits. Some he has flown for 2 seasons and others for at least 1 season.
Bill says some are stockable but he has enough for his needs. Bill told me his Jaconette line goes back to the old line Jaconette stuff. This is a unique chance to get some competition based Jaconettes into your loft. I have said it before and I will say it again, I feel Bill Roy is the guy to beat down in these parts and his recent nearly 1,300 points in the WC Central Region back that up.
It is my pleasure to be handling this transaction for Bill. Just buy here and he will ship the birds from his loft to yours.
Check them out here: Bill Roy Jaconettes
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Last Edited by on Jul 11, 2009 4:39 PM
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nicksiders
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3544 posts
Jul 11, 2009
4:45 PM
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I can assure you these are high value birds
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Nick Siders
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3444 posts
Jul 11, 2009
4:55 PM
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Nick, I spent several hours with Bill talking rollers. This man is a wealth of knowledge and I enjoyed picking his brain for hints, tips and secrets. He showed me his computer where he keeps up with the latest here on RPDC. It's amazing the number of quality and legendary roller men who frequent this site behind the scenes and we never know it! KEWL
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Oldfart
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1163 posts
Jul 11, 2009
5:48 PM
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Tony, I sent you a message by way of the contact us button. Would you please check it when you have time?
Thom
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3545 posts
Jul 11, 2009
6:18 PM
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He is a class act through and through. I have put together an article that I will ask to be published in the NBRC Bulletin about him.
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Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Jul 11, 2009 6:19 PM
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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2670 posts
Jul 11, 2009
9:29 PM
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I fly and breed his birds good old guy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,lol
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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nicksiders
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3551 posts
Jul 12, 2009
4:35 PM
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I see there are only three or four birds left.
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gotspin7
2470 posts
Jul 12, 2009
9:06 PM
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Big Congrats on your fly Bill. Hey I think there is only one left. Good job on that too!.. Smile...
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Sal Ortiz
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DeepSpinLofts
1497 posts
Jul 12, 2009
9:37 PM
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Wowsa, that sounds like some really good birds for sale!
Hmm....
Economy is bad right now... will Bill take an IOU??
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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Southplainsroller
16 posts
Jul 13, 2009
7:46 PM
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I am with rudy, I fly his birds also, and he is a great guy.His birds were the first glimpse of good roller for me. I visited him when I was 16 and living in sw missouri. He put a kit up for me even though the weather was horrible. He's sent me great pigeons and is always helpin out. By the way rudy I raised some nice lookin birds out of that black hen and the blue check cock that bill sent me. Ill put some pictures up when the get a little bigger.
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Missouri-Flyer
1660 posts
Jul 16, 2009
3:48 PM
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Glad to see that Bills birds went fast..I knew that they would.
I was at a club members house recently. and was reading some past posts on here where someone, maybe JUrbon, was asking questions about Bills birds, and that he "heard" that they were mainly Ray Sanchez birds..I just chuckled.
I have spent alot of time with Bill over the years, and have discussed his bloodlines, and the few "maybe" 3 birds he has picked up from Sanchez, and how he had bred from those birds in Indie. pens to keep them seperate from his Jac. Lines, which was smart, as breeding them with his birds would have been a negative!
I happen to have a pair off of those birds that Bill got from Sanchez, and have bred several young the past 2 years from them, and have yet to get anything even close as what Bill, Myself, Spike, or any of the others around here fly that are related to Bills.
I have been to Sanchez's house a few times, and will publicly say that I was anything but impressed. I seen some decent LOOKING birds there, but nothing that stood out, like I do when I am at those members houses that fly the comps.
Bill does frequent this site, and will read this "Hi Bill, was good to see ya last time", and if you ever get the chance to visit with him, he will tell ya himself that in NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM did the Sanchez line contribute to his great score!
Those that have gotten birds from Sanchez over the years, are you still flying them today, and how did they work out for ya?
Just a little rant..
P.S Sanchez, as far as I know, is into show rollers these days. I dont think he has competed in years. And yes, I am a friend of his.
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Jerry
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3462 posts
Jul 16, 2009
8:04 PM
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"...And yes, I am a friend of his."
With friends like these...LOL
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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2690 posts
Jul 16, 2009
8:05 PM
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zuppppppppppppppppppppp flyerrrrrrrrrrr jerrrryyyyyyyyyyyy
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RUDY PAYEN
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katyroller
477 posts
Jul 16, 2009
8:06 PM
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:) :) :)...........
Tracey
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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2691 posts
Jul 16, 2009
8:08 PM
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bill roy is a great guy....!!!!
so is nick and jim bowen ..nick ...ortiz... ferrell etc region 5 is a great region................
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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macsrollers
142 posts
Jul 16, 2009
10:59 PM
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To judge Ray Sanchez's birds based on a visit or two, and based on breeding several birds from one pair doesn't seem to be a fair assessment of a man's birds. I don't know Ray at all so I couldn't say, but seems because a person other then Ray posted that he thought Bill Roy's birds were Sanchez blood that Ray Sanchez is being chastized. Maybe this goes deeper between Missouri Flyer and Ray- I don't know. So maybe I am sticking my nose out, but based on the context of the post Mr. Sanchez is getting the short end of the stick. Respectfully, Don M.
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JDA
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349 posts
Jul 16, 2009
11:44 PM
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Jerry... Just zip it, Ray has forgot more about rollers than you know. say nothing if you can,t say anything constructive about a person in this hobby for as long as Ray Sanchez has.If he chooses not to fly comp,big deal,He has done it all in the past and he has nothing to prove to anyone. You say as fare as you know Ray is into show rollers, Well sounds like you don,t know so just zip it. thank you JDA
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gotspin7
2473 posts
Jul 17, 2009
4:29 AM
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Jerry, glad to have you back bro.. A long with that, I have to say OUCH!!...lol..
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Sal Ortiz
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gotspin7
2474 posts
Jul 17, 2009
4:35 AM
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Jerry... Just zip it, Ray has forgot more about rollers than you know. say nothing if you can,t say anything constructive about a person in this hobby for as long as Ray Sanchez has.If he chooses not to fly comp,big deal,He has done it all in the past and he has nothing to prove to anyone. You say as fare as you know Ray is into show rollers, Well sounds like you don,t know so just zip it. thank you JDA
JDA, Question about your above post... How well do you know Sanchez?
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Missouri-Flyer
1662 posts
Jul 17, 2009
6:34 AM
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Thanks Sal,
Just zip it?..Now thats original!!
JDA,
How long have you known Ray, and how many times have you been to his loft, seen his birds fly, and how many birds of his do you have?..and how well do you know me to say that he has forgotten more than I know?..We will start with that.
Mac...Yes, you are sticking your nose out..any actual factual information about your above post, or are you talking to just talk?..you said that breeding "several" birds from a pair doesnt give ya a fair assessment of a mans birds????Come on, how long have you been in this hobby?,, So you telling me that after breeding 10 to 15 birds from a pair, flying them out, and getting nothing to speak about isnt a fair assessment?..Come on, your old enough to know better than that..I think.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Missouri-Flyer
1663 posts
Jul 17, 2009
6:34 AM
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haha, Thanks Tony.... You know we all like Ray, but..........
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Jerry
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Missouri-Flyer
1664 posts
Jul 17, 2009
6:35 AM
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ZUUPPPPP RUUDDDDDYYYYY,
How ya been my friend?.. I havent chatted with ya in a long time..How are things going in Texas?
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Jerry
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Missouri-Flyer
1665 posts
Jul 17, 2009
6:49 AM
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Mac,
you said that maybe this goes deeper than this between Ray and I.
Ray has been to my place many times..He and I have sit, stood, walked, and talked about birds over and over..He and I, to this day, are good friends.. "well, until he sees the show roller comment I made", and my comments above are in relation to the post I read that the person said that RAY TOLD THEM that Bill was flying MOSTLY Rays stuff..That is far from truth.
Ray is a knowledgeable roller guy, without a doubt...But, with me being a police officer doesnt mean that I know EVERY law out there, or that my kids are better than any other kids, JUST BECAUSE I am a L.E.O
Ray says he has the goods at his place, and the times I have been there, he has pointed out "this bird goes back to so-and-so, etc."..I have seen his birds fly a few times, but that wouldnt be a fair judgement of me to comment on the performance because he doesnt fly them often.
Sooooo, as of this date, nothing about my posts goes any deeper than the factual information I have posted between Ray and I.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Windjammer Loft
834 posts
Jul 17, 2009
6:52 AM
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Iam stay'en out of this one....LOL
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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Missouri-Flyer
1666 posts
Jul 17, 2009
6:53 AM
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Is a show roller a roller that you show, or a roller that has been bred to show?
any difference?
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Jerry
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macsrollers
143 posts
Jul 17, 2009
9:48 PM
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HI Missouri Flyer. My interpertation of several birds means 3 or 4, not 10 to 15. Huge difference between several then 10 to 15, which out of one pair definitely proves that that pair does not produce. Your post sounded like you were judging the man's birds based on one pair and a few visits. I never post just to talk I won't waste anyone's time with that. But I am entitled to express my opinion as you are. Trying to keep things in perspective for all and keep post constructive and as positive. I know neither Ray or you- you beyond the post you make on this site. So the factual information I based my respones on was several birds out of one pair and a few visits. So my response was based on that with no intent to make it personal. Enjoy your next fly! Respectfully, Don M.
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Scott
2375 posts
Jul 18, 2009
11:34 AM
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Jerry, funny you bring this up, it is a fact that some breed "performance" type just for show.
I was just on a site earlier and was thinking that the strong looking birds with full necks,hard expression,solid wealth of feather standing on their tip toe were probably not flown, in my loft such birds are stiff culls, but are exactly what I would enter in a show.
(Is a show roller a roller that you show, or a roller that has been bred to show?
any difference?)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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gotspin7
2480 posts
Jul 19, 2009
1:06 AM
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Sal Ortiz
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gotspin7
2481 posts
Jul 19, 2009
1:07 AM
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Just have to ask gang what do you think? LOL
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Sal Ortiz
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gotspin7
2482 posts
Jul 19, 2009
1:08 AM
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Ok, or this one.
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Sal Ortiz
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Electric-man
2412 posts
Jul 19, 2009
8:31 AM
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Your birds don't count Sal! They are an exception to the rule!
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Val
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JMUrbon
727 posts
Jul 19, 2009
12:31 PM
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I have seen Rays birds on more than one accasion over the last 25 years and have seen some really nice kits flown that derived from his birds. Ray is a very respectable man and a huge asset to the roller hobby. Are they a bird I would take home? More than likely not. That does not mean they are not quality birds, they are just bred different than what I am looking for in a roller. Ray has always had and always will have my respect though. Joe
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Missouri-Flyer
1669 posts
Jul 26, 2009
1:25 PM
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Thanks Mac,
1st I want to say sorry for sounding like an ass.. I have known Ray, as well as the other fliers in this area for a few years. I have been to each of their lofts many times, have watched their birds more times than I can remember, and have talked to them about what they raise, breed,etc.
My comments about Ray Sanchez was a comment about Bill using his birds to improve his loft.
Scott,
I have wondered that question for a few years, and finally put it in words. Like you, I have seen those types of rollers in the air, and have yet to see much out of them. They do look great in a show pen, but from what I have seen, they just dont cut it in the air.
The comment was of course in relation to Rays birds, and what I have seen there. Yes, he has some decent looking birds there, and with the PROPER flight and feeding schedule, he may get some that perform..Just not when I have seen them fly.
One of our club members and forum regular has flown his birds for a few years..I will let him speak of what he has bred from Rays birds.
P.S...Last I heard a few months back, he has changed to a different family.. wonder why?
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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gotspin7
2483 posts
Jul 26, 2009
2:19 PM
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Jerry, how often did your club fly? I also have this question, why did you guys even use his birds at all? Was that a club thing or did you see something in them at the time?
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Sal Ortiz
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Missouri-Flyer
1670 posts
Jul 26, 2009
3:57 PM
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Sal,
The club flies monthly, depending on weather.
As far as why "we" used his birds..only 2 people here have them, and that is Bill Roy and Robbie Rusher, who I spoke of above.. There may be a few more that im unaware of..Not sure.
I currently have the same birds that I have had, which came from Bills loft and Spikes loft.. No others have entered...well, except that commie that Spike felt bad for. :)
The old saying "to each is own" goes here also.
I replied to this post ONLY in regards to someone stating that he heard that Bill was usuing Rays birds, and that he hadnt heard of Bill except for the past 2 years when he heard that Bill was usuing Ray birds. That just isnt fact, and I wanted to share my knowledge on the issue.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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gotspin7
2484 posts
Jul 26, 2009
6:51 PM
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Jerry, it is all good bro. Just had to ask...lol.. So, how many kits are you flying for the Championship fly? If you choose to hit me on gotspin7@yahoo.com
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Sal Ortiz
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gotspin7
2487 posts
Jul 26, 2009
6:55 PM
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Val, thanks for the compliment. I just caught it..SHAU!!!!!!!!!!...lol
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Sal Ortiz
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Missouri-Flyer
1671 posts
Jul 26, 2009
7:26 PM
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Man,
I wont be flyin anything in any comp. anytime soon.
I have a TOTAL of 26 birds. I have 3 breeding pair, and have my FIRST squabs of the year!!!!..I know...
I am flyin 13 birds that havent flown in 15 months..They are some of my 07 and 08 kitbirds..A few are starting to show a lil'.
At this rate, it is gonna take me a few years..BUT, im gonna stick in there and be back one day.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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macsrollers
160 posts
Jul 27, 2009
8:19 PM
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Hey Jerry. As long as you have fun along the way while you work your way back than life is good! 13 birds in the air is better then none! Enjoy your next fly!
Don M. LVRC
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gotspin7
2489 posts
Jul 28, 2009
6:06 AM
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Jerry, with what you got, you should be there in no time. Depending on the regional schedule, I will try to make it up your way and watch your areas kits and hang out a bit.
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Sal Ortiz
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Ballrollers
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1993 posts
Jul 28, 2009
6:07 AM
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On this one I have to come down in agreement with mac. Breeding 10-15 birds does not give one the license to evaluate a man's entire family of birds. Like mac said...it only gives one the right to evaluate that particular pair of birds. After one has bred a hundred birds off of several different pairs of Ray's birds, for example....and flown them out for a year or so, then I believe he may be qualified to render a more valid opinion of his birds. One or two pair...or even flying out a kit of squeakers from an auction, is hardly a representative sample of the birds. I have kits where 50-60% of the birds look like they will be keepers....and then I have kits where only two or three make the grade.
Cliff
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1278 posts
Aug 02, 2009
12:06 PM
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Hey All, I had the very pleasant experience of talking to MR. Bill Roy today. He is soft spoken and I'm as deaf as a post but a finer gentelman would be hard to find. Mr, Roy if you read this I forgot to say how much I appreciated the consideration you gave to me, a stranger. It's speaks volumes on who you are and I thank you!
Thom
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nicksiders
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3589 posts
Aug 02, 2009
9:23 PM
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Thom, You are absolutely right.
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