yang501424
305 posts
Jul 12, 2009
7:47 AM
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Hi everyone, to those of you who has raise or seen donek and oriental rollers, which do you think will out run the BOP? and Why. Thanks
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3547 posts
Jul 12, 2009
7:57 AM
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I have heard that they both can. I have also heard from honest fliers that the BOP can and have caught both these breeds. I have heard from some fliers that Dewlaps can out run BOP. I have also heard from some honest fliers that BOP can and do catch them.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Jul 12, 2009 7:57 AM
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yang501424
306 posts
Jul 12, 2009
8:02 AM
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Yes I have heard both of these can be caught be BOP.
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Good Game Loft
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
340 posts
Jul 12, 2009
8:13 AM
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The only thing that can stop this, is if the feds allow the use of (DDT)ah for the old days.lol JDA
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j .wanless
858 posts
Jul 12, 2009
10:11 AM
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hi yang
i fly the dewlaps + have only had 1 taken when just going out.2 days ago had perigrine tried but failed.
dont know if your a member of roller world .but theres 2 dutch lads on there that fly all of them + really know there stuff. rene ottema + marcel steegh
ive been over there + seen there birds awsome.they will let you know anything you need to know.
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lew3015
21 posts
Jul 12, 2009
11:28 AM
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Hi I raise Doneks and I can tell you, the cooper hawks love the taste of Donek, The coopers will have them as soon as they are released or when they start to come down, I have had Doneks taken right off the roof of my loft, Hope that helps your decision. If you are looking for a bird to out fly the hawks, go with Catalonia
Lew
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
3548 posts
Jul 12, 2009
12:02 PM
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A friend of mine, Eldon Cheney, told me that the BOP takes his Catalonians pretty regularly
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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pat66
363 posts
Jul 12, 2009
1:06 PM
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NO BIRD-I repeat-no bird is hawk proof, the orientals-donecks-cats they all CAN outfly the hawk! BUT the most are taken when first let out or mostly when landing!
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Pat
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TheGame
574 posts
Jul 12, 2009
2:38 PM
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Pat is right most of the birds can outfly the hawk but the hawk waits for them and ambushes them.
Most the times the birds dont know what hit them until its too late.
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yang501424
307 posts
Jul 12, 2009
3:16 PM
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Yes of course nothing is BOP proof. I actually don't have any big hawks problem but very little cooper and mostly falcon in the fall. I probably won't have to worry about birds being taken off the roof but in the sky. Would you think donek and catalonian would be good for falcons.
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Good Game Loft
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
343 posts
Jul 12, 2009
5:04 PM
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yang..friend of mine years ago in Boise ID was flying donek. He had a bird up when a falcon he saw off to the side, the donek dove to the falcon,falcon did a rollover hooked the donek and keep on flying but had his bag lunch to go.JDA
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lew3015
22 posts
Jul 12, 2009
5:58 PM
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I totally agree with Pat66 no bird is safe from the BOP unless you can train doves to fly and trap, but check out this web site on Cats it may help out, possibly.
http://www.cichlidlovers.com/birds_cats_bill_hart.htm
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Snake Doctor
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416 posts
Jul 12, 2009
6:56 PM
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Yang!
I have a few Orientals, one of my Husband strain hens has out flown Coopers and Sharp Shins on 5 separate occasions, on two of these she turned and flew straight down the hawks nose, really messed with his head. If the OR's can see the BOP approaching I think they can pretty well hold their own but if the hawk comes up out of the trees as the birds are let out of the box or as they are coming down to trap the hawk definitely will catch them. The longer they are on the box roof the more the chance the hawk will catch them. The only time I have trouble with the Red Tails is when birds take too long to trap and are on the roof exposed too long. Get em up, fly the time, get em down and trapped!
None of them are Hawk Proof!
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"Semper Fi"
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Georgia
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3182 posts
Jul 12, 2009
10:31 PM
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Them cats are really nice looking ..I just check them out..I don't have problem with hawks they fly around when my birds are out they too slow.I have problem with the falcon in the air..never down below ...
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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BA Rollers
263 posts
Jul 12, 2009
11:26 PM
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I flew Cats all winter this past year. My set up and location isn't very condusive to ambush attacks so any accipiter has to give chase here. I've seen the cats chased by coopers many times, but they never got one. I lost more to the freeway cars than I did the predators. They are weird birds, but they are fast when they need to be. I have some portuguese tumblers I am starting to fly. They will be tested this fall. They are lightening fast. They are very difficult to try and catch in the loft. I've had and have many different breeds of pigeons, but I've never seen any breed that can bolt as fast as these PTs can.
Last Edited by on Jul 12, 2009 11:27 PM
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Windjammer Loft
825 posts
Jul 14, 2009
8:30 AM
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I agree with the Snake too. I live in Ohio and have rollers and Orientals too. As of yet (2yrs) I have never lost an adult Oriental to any type of BOP. But on the other hand I have lost several of my rollers to the BOP. I fly a kit of Orientals first,then fly the rollers. The BOP around me now don't even bother my rollers anymore. The Orientals have many many more aerial manuvers then the rollers. The Orientals remind me of a fighter plane. Being able to pull out of a straight down dive or do barrel rolls and make a 90 degree turn right or left in mid air. You have to see them in person to get the real affect they have and what they can do.. Nothing like a roller flies...
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Jul 15, 2009 7:09 AM
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yang501424
308 posts
Jul 14, 2009
10:17 AM
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Thanks for all your position encouraging answers. I know nothing is BOP free but I just don't understand how some people like to give negative answer all the time when someone is looking for positive answers. Atleast when you give a negative answer, give a positive too because there is one. As I was reading this thread as it was coming along I felt like getting some and then not and then getting them again, back and forth. LOL Its like this folks, I have a glass of water fill half way and I would like you to give me a description of it. The negative people would say its half "EMPTY" and the positive people would say its half "FULL".
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Good Game Loft
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kham89
240 posts
Jul 14, 2009
1:38 PM
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doneks are harder to fly....orientals im not sure...ying up to you whether u get them or not...but jus my suggestion...get some and try them out urself
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kham thao
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belle
324 posts
Jul 14, 2009
6:25 PM
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I have raised doneks now two years now and never lost one to a hawk but I don't get but a few hawks a year. I have had them chase the doneks a few times. One time was when a donek was landing and a hawk jumped out of the trees and almost got him but the donek lost the hawk like it was nothing I don't know how the hawk was just inches away, I counted him as a lost. I think if it was a month earlier when the doneks were still fat he would have got him. I'm not saying a hawk cant get a donek I know it is just a matter of time be for I lose one to a hawk.
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Justin
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