toughrollers
181 posts
Jul 12, 2009
9:25 PM
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Has any one had this problem?
I let my first kit out which consisted of 20 birds, they went up, flew around for sometime then within 15 minutes I could not see them. I then proceeded to let my second kit fly to bring the first kit back (which are my older birds) and they to disappeared.
Now it has been over 24hrs that I have not seen any of my birds. Not even one has returned.
It is currently winter here in Australia I have not changed their feeding nor done anything different. It was a cloudy day and the pressure was not rising.
Can anyone tell me what has happened to my birds? that is if anything similar has happened to anyone's birds as I am affraid to let anymore go.
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Toughrollers--Lofts
Ralph
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polarbear
9 posts
Jul 12, 2009
9:30 PM
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Ralph, i had a similar ordeal happen to me 6 or 7 years ago. I let the birds out on a clear day, they kept climbimg and climbing until out of sight. Lost a kit of 22 birds anywhere from 7 months to 3 years old.
Three months later i get a call from someone just east of Kansa City that tracked a bird down by the band info. They were bird people and kept the bird, that bird went from Oregon to K.C., but i never knew what happened to the others.
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fresnobirdman
630 posts
Jul 12, 2009
10:19 PM
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dame!
sounds like an super over fly.
tough times.
-fou
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3181 posts
Jul 12, 2009
10:21 PM
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I hope you get them all back tomorrow Ralph..
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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cv rollers
415 posts
Jul 12, 2009
10:27 PM
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I was told to never fly in cloudy conditions because they would get lost in the clouds ?not for sure
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Rick Flores
coachellavalleyrollers.net
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1172 posts
Jul 13, 2009
3:56 AM
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Ralph, I don't know what happened but I sure hope you get them back!
Thom
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fresnobirdman
632 posts
Jul 13, 2009
7:59 AM
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cv rollers,
i have had rollers go up all the way to the and into the clouds several times and return like it was just a routine fly.
-fou
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Scott
2355 posts
Jul 13, 2009
8:12 AM
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Ouch !!! sounds like they got sucked up into the jetstream which is usualy the case when entire kits are lost, this is what happens when you hear of birds being found long distances away.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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katyroller
462 posts
Jul 13, 2009
10:32 AM
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I agree with Scott about the jetstream. I watched a buddies 24 bird kit flying on what should have been a perfect day and the same thing happened. They continued to climb until they were out of sight and were never seen again.
Tracey
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cvr(FR3rd)
159 posts
Jul 13, 2009
10:41 AM
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i have flown my birds in sleet hail cloundy hot rainy dusk days and never lost a kit
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Fernando Ruelas
Ruelas loft
"the harder you work the harder it is to give up"
start strong maintain strength finish stronger... rajah football
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Rocky Lofts
22 posts
Jul 13, 2009
4:24 PM
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cvr(FR3rd),
You must have some kind of birds. Give me you magic touch!!!!!!! That is if you have the magic touch. LMFAO
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Rocky Lofts
23 posts
Jul 15, 2009
2:20 AM
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Hi Ralph how are you?
Just wondering whether any of your birds have returned as the weather has been a little bit better over the last few days.
I can't image what your going through loosing all your birds. I tried ringing you but could not get through your obviously busy trying to track down your pigeons.
PS You should have a tracking device on them. LOL.
Get back to me when you can, catch up soon and hope you get all your birds back.
Last Edited by on Jul 15, 2009 2:51 AM
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fhtfire
2002 posts
Jul 15, 2009
7:24 AM
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Rule number one...if the first kit goes up....DONT let out the second kit..unless it is a scrub kit....the odds of the second kit going up are pretty high....you just learned a valuable lesson...I have done the same.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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bman
682 posts
Jul 15, 2009
8:20 AM
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Send out the homers!! Works every time.
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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toughrollers
185 posts
Jul 15, 2009
3:00 PM
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Hi Rocky, I hope they do come back soon but more than likely they wont.
Paul, I have truely learnt a big lession. Never again will I do the same.
Bman, I might have to start breeding homers!!!!
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Toughrollers--Lofts
Ralph
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3189 posts
Jul 15, 2009
5:41 PM
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Ralph the important thing is you learn a lesson ...you be alright...
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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macsrollers
140 posts
Jul 15, 2009
8:09 PM
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Paul is right. Never let out another kit when your first kit disappears, especially if they are out of sight in 15 minutes. Scott is most likely right as well. Could have been a high pressure day and they got up above the clouds and up in the jet stream and pulled too far away to make it home. Or maybe some will return tomorrow. We always hope so. I don't think any of us who have been flying rollers any length of time can honestly say we haven't lost a kit or part of a kit on an overfly. There are some signs to watch for to help prevent this. Have your birds been flying a long time or going a little high and have you been feeding them even for awhile. When kits go up and then come down and go up again this is also a sign of them getting too strong. Here in Las Vegas we are in bowl surrounded by mountains and experience major updrafts and jet stream days. When I see a rainbow ring around the sun early in the morning I have learned that these are weird weather days and my kits, no matter what age, end up getting pulled to the East and I can experience losses. Another sign is watching the palm trees or big trees. As it warms up and you see the leaves twinkling lightly I have learned that this is the air rising that causes this and normally high pressure days that can be dangerous. So much to learn in this hobby and some we learn the hard way. To fly off a kit is tough. The first time I flew a kit away I called Doug Ouellette, who's birds I started with, and got zero sympathy! He told me if I can't handle an overfly then I better find another hobby! 3 years ago I flew my kit for Eldon Cheney when he was judging George Ruiz in the NBRC finals and I got hit by a falcon. The average age of this kit was 3 years old and they had been out at night, in wind, and in the conditions I described above. After the falcon attack they went way up and I lost 8 seasoned birds that I had flown several seasons. So you never know when this can happen. I learn my lessons and I do what I can to avoid it, but I expect at some point in my time flying birds something similar will happen again. I hope not but it is part of the game. I hope you get some birds back, but as Ralph stated you have learned a lesson. And the best thing is you were willing to share that lesson and hopefully someone else will learn a little from out posts and possibly avoiding this tough experience called an overfly!
Thanks, Don M.
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