lew3015
23 posts
Jul 15, 2009
9:56 AM
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I know this topic has been talk on before, but can I get some help and advice, on the best way to teach birds to fly as a tight kit, when all they seem to want to do is fly all different directions, rolling where ever they happen to be.
I have watched wild pigeons and they will fly as a group. How did they learn to do that.
Lew
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Scott
2369 posts
Jul 15, 2009
10:01 AM
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Lew, it is in the make up of the genes, you don't teach, they just do.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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J_Star
2022 posts
Jul 15, 2009
11:36 AM
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Just keep flying them on a daily basis and they will get it soon.
Jay
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Pumpkin Man
129 posts
Jul 16, 2009
7:39 AM
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I would guess if they haven't started kitting after 5 weeks of flying everyday they may never kit. As a breeder your part is weaning them ( I usually do this when the yellow fuzz on their head is almost gone) getting them quickly settled to your kit box and then flying daily if weather permits. Once weaned I give them 3-4 days all the feed they want after putting them in the box and leave them alone in the kit box. Then I manually push them through my bob traps with the bobs down (they might as well learn this right away) for a couple days Then for 15-20 minutes a day they are in the training cage only fed after they enter box. After 2 weeks in trng cage if they are entering/trapping good I let them out of trng cage. Could shorten this if I spent more time each day working with them. After first release it takes mine 2-3 weeks of flying everyday before they kit solid. Once they do they kit for good except for learning to roll they may break away from the kit a bit until they can control the roll. Sorry for long response.
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roller alley
148 posts
Jul 16, 2009
10:22 AM
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we need more info from you.are they older birds or young,or a mixture,do you fly them hungry or full,how long have they been doing this,how old are you.my birds were a problem but are fixed now , since i have been threw this many a times before, i new i could fix them.you have to watch your birds fly, you will find that some birds do want to kit ,but dont know who controlls the leed.
fly half the birds and take knotes,then fly the second half and take notes,you may haveto fly them several times before you see a patern of who wont kit.
from your notes devide all the birds up again and the birds that kit better will be your A TEAM fly them every day.the B TEAM dont fly them for a while.i dint fly mine for about a month.once the A TEAM starts kitting.you can introduce one bird from the B TEAM at a time every 2 days to see if they want to kit .if they dont get rid of them.if they still dont kit after all you have done,you haveto fix your kit with the squeeks you are raising,you cant fly them with the crazy kit,so fly them with a few birds,the squeeks naturaly kit if you have anything close to kitting going on.if you are a person whom cant get rid of birds for what ever reason you may never solve the problem because it all falls down to management.
thanks LJ
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lil_jess
155 posts
Jul 16, 2009
11:51 AM
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When flying young birds...It'll take at least a month for all of them to kit really well at least some do...Never feed young birds before fly...When they are hungry they will follow whose in leading...thinking that, that one particular birds will know where the food is at...The more they kit the more experience they gain on fly figure and etc...JMHO
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lew3015
24 posts
Jul 16, 2009
6:16 PM
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Thanks guys for your input, RA the birds I'm flying are mostly this years young about 4 months old been flying for 2 now and a few (6) last years hold overs that I couldn't fly last year because of BOP, the biggest problem is they want to mate, so they aren't interested in flying, that's with flying them hungry, I only give them a hand full of mixed grain no corn each after they fly. sometimes I keep them locked out and flag them back up once they have rested for awhile from the first flight, they still want to fly all directions, I will give your thoughts a try. Thanks Lew
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3200 posts
Jul 16, 2009
6:25 PM
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Like Scott said its in the gene's ...my first youngs are on the wings they start kitting by the third day..in one week they look like pro's..its all on you too if you see a birds going out get him out fast until things are smooth and try him again keeping a close eye on him..some birds no matter what it won't kit its bye bye time..
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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sundance
1132 posts
Jul 16, 2009
8:14 PM
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I got a young bird kit that started kitting within the first week. They stick together like they`ve been together a year. If I had to guess, Lew, I`d say these are birds that didnt get on the wing soon enough. They need to start young. the sooner the better.
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sundance
1133 posts
Jul 16, 2009
8:15 PM
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I`m flying birds with yellow fuzz on their heads and still squeeking.
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Butch @
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3203 posts
Jul 16, 2009
8:24 PM
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Yea Butch you are right about they need to start young ..I get mine up at 5 weeks old at 6 they kitting well and doing the time by 7 they are pro's .these are late hatches I toss up..its all in the way you train your birds..early good habits is the key..
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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