steve49
86 posts
Jul 16, 2009
6:06 PM
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i'm flying my first young bird kit one week, and want to know what i can expect for flying times as they get older and are flying more. should they be expected to fly 30 minutes within 2 weeks, 3, 4 of their first release?
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3199 posts
Jul 16, 2009
6:18 PM
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your answer to that is yes if you are consistent with your flying them everyday..you are the master you must train them to give you what you want..if your birds are healthy there is no reason why they can't give you 45 to an hour of flying you would control that with the feed....good luck..
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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steve49
89 posts
Jul 16, 2009
6:54 PM
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do different families of birds develop at different paces? you mentioned in another post that your birds kit after only 3 days. mine have flown one week, and today they finally started to kit, but still half are flying in different directions.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3202 posts
Jul 16, 2009
7:52 PM
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Yes Steve they do ..yours are going good .if you see they keep that up break them up and fly the one that are kitting well and toss the one that don't one at a time untill you see who doen't want to kit or who is pulling them away.I train my birds to kit fast also because when the BOP is not around I release them at evening just before it gets dark I can get 15 to 20 minutes of flying time this makes them kit tight .I make sure I have them in control with the feed that when I blow that whistle its blown only once and where ever they at they will make a uturn to the kitbox..but I don't recommend that to a newbie..just be persistent and you will get them doing what you want..but remember the secret is patience..
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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katyroller
478 posts
Jul 16, 2009
8:14 PM
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Steve,
Yes, alot of different families mature differently. As far as the young birds starting to fly the time, I wouldn't worry about it too much. You need to play with the feed to find the amount which gives you the desired fly time. Not enough time...more feed, too much time...less feed. What you don't want to do is get in the habit of chasing them off the kit box. They need to feel the kit box roof is a safe place to land so they don't head for the neighbors roof if you have any.
Tracey
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Windjammer Loft
836 posts
Jul 17, 2009
6:59 AM
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steve49.....Patience... it takes patience. You can't put a time frame on some things Steve... It comes down to management, that's where you find all these things..
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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J_Star
2025 posts
Jul 17, 2009
7:35 AM
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I found that to get the best performance from my birds is to feed them to fly for one hour. The first 20 minutes and the last 10 minutes are packed with rolls and that what you need if you ever want to compete. If I feed to fly for 30 min, the birds will fly low and they will flirt with DQ and the activity is for the first 10 minutes at max with lots of individual performance. Sometimes it will cause them to fly on one wing without much roll.
Jay
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harrison
1048 posts
Jul 17, 2009
9:06 AM
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Its all in the feed and the air time you give the birds.
I fly my first round young kit twice a day for around 30mins.
As soon as they leave the kit box there up in the air and getting nice hight on them.
There just coming on to the roll now but Its the flying that I am consentrating on at the moment.
They fly in a realy nice tight team and are constaltly turning.
Were as last year I found my young would just fly in circles.
I think this year they will be more active with the roll bcause everytime they go to make a turn there breaking (not perfect rolling breaks)
But breaking and giving little spins and tumbles.
HAVING A GO.
I feed them on 50%bread and whean 50%wheat.
I have 18 first rounders and they get 2 hand fulls after the first fly in the morning and then after there fly around 6oclock they get 3 half hand fulls.
This amount of food suits the birds fine and they have nice waight on them.
There flying 30mins twice aday so are also fit.
As they get older I will strip a little body fat and also fly them one time a day.
good look in all you do with your birds.
And remember its all down to you how the birds behave.
It doesnt take long to learn the basics and how your birds need treating.
I have had my birds 2 years now and with watching the birds and taking good advice from the guys on here it doesnt take long at all.
I wish you good look .
yours in roll harrison uk hull.
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steve49
90 posts
Jul 17, 2009
4:07 PM
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today again, they landed after only 5 minutes, with 3 staying up another 4 min. the last two nights, I let them eat all they wanted, hoping to see an increase in flying time. i'm feeding a 16% protein feed (No corn) that was recommended by my bird's breeder. tomorrow i hope to fly twice like last weekend. i don't want to flag or chase off the kitbox, but should i just let them increase their flying time on their own?
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3212 posts
Jul 17, 2009
5:14 PM
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Thats all I feed my birds because that's all I can get my hands on here..
----------Steve when you let your birds fly out do they come back to the kitbox without banking anywhere else if yes then its good ..now you can start the training making them go a little longer but the night before make sure they did not eat all they want because they will go else where when made to fly longer and not respond to your call..some family love to fly some don't you have make them do what you want.thats why you see some folks open the kitbox waving a hat or tapping a stick some birds wanna lay up.I open my kitbox and out they go on their own but when very young I train them to come out all won't do it on their own ..some birds are not going to increase their time on their own .you have to know your birds .by making them fly an extra 5 minutes you are helping them get in shape.so don't be afraid .wave a flag once they up and check out how they react if they go up higher good if flying low stop so they don't bank.you have to feel it out.remember I said the flag is a tool you have to learn to use... good luck..
Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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RodSD
288 posts
Jul 18, 2009
12:51 AM
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16% protein might not have enough carb concentration so they might fly less. My birds do best around 12% protein. 16%-20% protein,I think, is for breeders.
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harrison
1054 posts
Jul 18, 2009
9:04 AM
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Like PR said sme famileys love to fly and some you need that bit of extra roller educayion to get them going.
Maybe you have one of the harder famileys and it would be better for you to go around and see peoples birds and ask some guestions about the way there birds fly.
I believe that I have been lucky and got a familey that just loves to fly.
Good look and keep training the best you can.
Some guys who have flown rollers for years have been known to change there familey of birds bcause they just carnt get them to fly.
yours in roll harrison.
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Ali
2 posts
Jul 18, 2009
10:36 AM
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my birds doesnt want to fly either they mason birds.i have to chase them but they only 2 months old.
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steve49
92 posts
Jul 18, 2009
11:30 AM
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what's funny is, this morning (sat) they flew a bit longer, say 10 or more minutes, but i didn't trap them in because i put out bath pans. they interested in bathing, just kinda picked around on the kitbox roof and chilled. after about 5 minutes of bumming around, all of a sudden something startled them and they all took off, and flew for another 10 minutes or more. this happened again about 15 minutes later. since i want to fly them twice today, they got 1/3 ration this morning. however, my wife and i had to go out for a couple of hours, so i called them, but 5 sat on the box. when i returned 2 had trapped in, with 3 remaining again on the box roof. ok, i had to go out again, and when i returned, all were in, and there still was food left!!! friday i flew after 6pm, and they got 20 tablspoon for 19 birds. i'm wondering if i'm just measuring wrong. either way, i'm sure they'll be hungry at dinner time, where they will hopefully fly a bit longer. my birds are Ron Kumro's family, purchased from Mike Rose. he told me to expect them to kit by their 4th week, but don't flag them for at least another week. at least they're all flying out of their kitbox w/o pushing them out now.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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RodSD
294 posts
Jul 20, 2009
12:06 AM
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The birds that were gifted to me love to fly. They want to come out voluntarily without any persuasion. These are Navarro based or Navarro family. I have 2 '08 birds and the rest (4) '09 birds. First time out they flew for 30 minutes and already kitted right away (with hawk). Second release was another 30 minutes (with hawk). Last release about 1 hour with hawk on their tail. I feed them 12%. I don't know whether it is the feed or the hawk, but I have only released them 3 times. I have one missing bird right now (red grizzle).
Last Edited by on Jul 20, 2009 12:08 AM
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ICEMAN710
635 posts
Jul 20, 2009
12:22 AM
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Hey Rod, Ive got a nice red grizzle hen waiting to go home. She made it back to my place at around 3pm saturday. I just havent had the time to contact you, ill give you a call sometime tomorrow. Shes in good shape.
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Gary
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RodSD
295 posts
Jul 21, 2009
12:29 AM
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Gary,
Thank you! I've been worried sick about that bird. I've spent the whole day Sunday outside waiting for that bird. That same Saturday it got lost, I've stayed until 9 pm outside waiting for it. It was her/his first time out that Saturday when a hawk chased them. A racing homer went with that bird. But this homer came back 2 hours later without her/his. Your birds definitely have good homing ability!
rod
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Pumpkin Man
130 posts
Jul 21, 2009
5:39 AM
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Steve,
Nobody has mentioned temperature yet so I will. Sometimes you can do everything right with the feed but if you're flying in the heat of the day they just won't stay up. They get hot. If the birds are slow trapping they are overfed, if they trap fast and don't fly the time they may be underfed OR hot and underfed or just hot. If they come down panting and their wings are drooping it may not be the feed but the temp. I recently switched my first round over to straight wheat and it has helped me a lot. I use a measuring cup and feed 2 cups for 20 birds and it's pretty close to being right, something elsew to consider is, If you fly a kit in the morning and the next day you run out of time and don't get to fly them till evening they may be say 34 hours between feedings and so hungry they don't fly too long. I try to keep them on a 24 hour feeding schedule. If I was flying twice a day that would be different of course. The feeding schedule matters and will affect them. Try to be as consistent as possible with it.
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J_Star
2030 posts
Jul 21, 2009
7:23 AM
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The birds are behaving like normal youngsters. Let them be what they are pigeons and soon they will take off to the skies like there is no tomorrow. If you push them too soon, they will become tree setters for you or they will land somewhere else far for few hours before heading back around feeding time. Just be patient with them.
Jay
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steve49
109 posts
Jul 21, 2009
12:47 PM
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temps are a factor for sure, and adjusting the feed its a trial and error factor also. during early dayscreen training i fed only 1 tblspn per bird, but later discovered that because they were so young, that simply wasn't enough. now, i've got them pretty figured out, say around 22 tbsp for 19. its ying and yang, feed a bit too much, and they trap slow and sit, or cut back feed, and they rush in ,but also may not fly as much. Ralph did mention watching their beaks to see how much or if they were panting. that's important, because we can't expect them to perform for long if they're hot, just like a person. when i leave a bath pan out, after flying they quench their thirst in the bath pan long before they think about bathing. i'm not sure if i want that, because their appetite may be dulled due to drinking heavy BEFORE they eat. i'd like to see what others feel about that.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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