George R.
24 posts
Jul 23, 2009
3:39 PM
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One fancier may describe certain strains of pigeons as STABLE while another Fancier looking at the same Pigeons will call them STIFF.
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Scott
2405 posts
Jul 23, 2009
4:11 PM
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I find that a stiff is just that, a stable bird that is loaded with roll is what I'm after.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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BA Rollers
267 posts
Jul 23, 2009
4:36 PM
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IMO, a stiff is a bird that only rolls occasionally and has to be manipulated to make it roll.
Stable birds are the ones that roll every time flown without any trickery and can be trusted day in and day out.
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George R.
32 posts
Jul 23, 2009
4:41 PM
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"a stiff is a bird that only rolls occasionally and has to be manipulated to make it roll"
Your on a Roll Mac !!!!!!!
Last Edited by on Jul 23, 2009 4:53 PM
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Windjammer Loft
858 posts
Jul 23, 2009
5:35 PM
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To me a "stiff" is a bird that doesn't roll much at all. Or one with "no" consistancy.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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Bill C
411 posts
Jul 23, 2009
8:51 PM
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A stable bird is one that comes out of the kit and has control, you might see it do one flip or two until it gets up to 300 feet or more then the kit starts to break. Same as when they come into land, the stable kit birds will start to flip and use control while landing and not bump or roll deep when landing at all. Stability has nothing to do with rolling.
A stiff bird will fly through the breaks and not roll much if at all. They will usually fly faster and keep the kit flying in fast circles. This is why you want to keep rolling birds in the same kit and the stiff or non performers in another kit until they come into the roll.
The guy who sees stable and stiff as the same thing needs to get out and see more kits out of his area. Bill C
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macsrollers
148 posts
Jul 23, 2009
9:45 PM
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I guess it depends on one's interpertation of what stiff means. More people then not tell me the old hardcore Pensom birds are stiff. Well any family of birds can be stiff. As my area grew in fliers I had several bad seasons- desease, BOP's, personal situations, and my birds suffered. But some of these guys kept telling me my Ouellette birds were too stiff and I needed to move away from them or I would be left behind in competing. Now that the last few years I am back on track and flying quality competitive kits, they tell me it's about time I moved away from the Ouellette birds. But I keep telling them that I haven't moved away from them at all, I just am back on track! I did bring in some Willie Wright and have continued to work with some Tim Decker birds with good success. But the core of my Mac's Rollers is still based on the Doug and some Don Ouellette birds. While the Ouellette birds aren't as voluntary to roll as some other families, once one learns how to fly them properly they roll consistently and the quality of spin is second to none. But that doesn't mean they are stiff. Any bird that rolls correctly and goes back to the kit after doing so I consider to be stable.
I don't mix quality of spin with stability. But both are important factors of what makes up a excellent Birmingham roller.
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bman
695 posts
Jul 24, 2009
8:24 AM
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Ok,what do you call a bird that kits good does only a flip or two on every break, but two or three times in thirty minutes will rip off a forty footer?
Besides a cull,lol.
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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PAUL R.
62 posts
Jul 24, 2009
9:14 AM
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Thats a CULL. Get rid of him.
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bman
696 posts
Jul 24, 2009
9:31 AM
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Paul,re-read my last line.lol I fly him with the young birds,I gave him to guy that lives 15 miles away. An hour after he escaped he was home on the loft. Maybe he is part homer.
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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donnie james
601 posts
Jul 24, 2009
9:47 PM
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hay george i have to agree with paul "stiff" "is a bird(s)that doesn't roll much at all" or "with "no" consistancy".................donny james
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JBow
85 posts
Jul 24, 2009
11:07 PM
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A stiff bird is just that. It has no use what so ever. In my opinion they are weak birds that can't handle the roll. There culls plain and simple. Jim Bowen
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