George R.
25 posts
Jul 23, 2009
3:42 PM
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What do you prefer , Birds that start SPINNING under 6 months of age or Birds that Start to roll after 12 Months of age
Please explain why you prefer one or the other.....
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rookie from ct
GOLD MEMBER
101 posts
Jul 23, 2009
3:48 PM
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I would prefer my family of birds come in to the roll at 6 months or more I feel if they start too early they get dangerous to themself(roll downs) Rookie from ct
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George R.
28 posts
Jul 23, 2009
3:59 PM
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rookie
In my years of breeding and Flying Rollers I have found that it dont matter at what age a Bird starts to spin if it comes in early then a good manager will not fly him everyday and wear the bird out thus giving the Bird a better chance to let him muture enough to handle a hard roll Mentally and physically.
If a Bird has the Rolldown gene then it dont matter if it starts to spin in 5 months or a year and a half it will still roll down.
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Scott
2404 posts
Jul 23, 2009
4:09 PM
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I want them around the 5-6 mark where they have a tad of maturaty to handle it, too early is probably worse than the later 12 month birds, I don't want either.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jul 23, 2009 4:10 PM
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BA Rollers
265 posts
Jul 23, 2009
4:27 PM
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If I could set a time when I would prefer for them to come into the spin, I would prefer it to be around the time they are done with the body molt, which generally is around the 5-6 month of age. But I don't live in such a world. I believe that in some ways there is an unjust label placed on early developing birds that they will eventually come apart or will become roll downs, too hot to keep up or turn into uncontrolable bumpers. Many of these traits which have been labeled upon early developing families or birds in general is incorrect. While in some early developing families they will exhibit some or all of those issues I've noted, I don't believe their eventual demise is because they came in early.
For example I have two friends who have very similar families of rollers. Both have birds which come into the roll rather early, some very early. One flyer has some birds that have the tendency to come apart as they mature or simply appear to not be able to handle the roll, and consequently this flyer doesn't fly many old birds. The other flyer's birds also come in really early, some heated, but the difference is many if not most of them turn out to be good, stable rollers.
I believe George is largely correct in his opinion that if a bird will become unstable and turn into a RD it doesn't matter at what age the bird develops the spin. Its going to do it no matter what.
While I do prefer birds to come in at around 6 months, the past two years I've had some birds that started rolling (more than 10 feet daily) at what I have considered a VERY early age and the few that did it, turned out fine. This year I had a bird that started rolling 5 feet on its third time flying, 10 feet by the end of the week and stayed at about 15-20 for the past five months. I have an excellent young bird that started spinning at 2 months of age. It was only flying for about three weeks before it started to spin. It is now almost 7 months old and is a great roller that has never hit anything and has very good control. Its nest mate came in about 10 days after it did and while not quite as frequent, is basically a clone of its nestmate, and completely stable. To be honest I am quite surprised by what I have experienced with these early developers the past two years. While there hasn't been enough of them to draw a factual-based conclusion, it does disclose that what happens with one family of birds doesn't necessarily happen with them all (generalizing).
FYI-Early developing birds have one requirement. And that is they need to be flown daily and fed marginally well. Once they start to show they are not as frequent as they once were, then they can be parked and rested and released without concern.
Last Edited by on Jul 23, 2009 4:30 PM
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rookie from ct
GOLD MEMBER
103 posts
Jul 23, 2009
4:30 PM
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George I only have 3 kits of all the same color cant tell them apart I have used bingo paint tied survayers ribbon to ther bands then what take one bird out and fly the rest please teach me I have no one in the area that fly birds there 5 NBRC members in ct an none returned Email Rookie from ct
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George R.
30 posts
Jul 23, 2009
4:37 PM
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Brian said
"I believe that in some ways there is an unjust label placed on early developing birds that they will eventually come apart or will become roll downs, too hot to keep up or turn into uncontrolable bumpers. Many of these traits which have been labeled upon early developing families or birds in general is incorrect."
Thank You Brian thats what I was tryiing to say....
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George R.
31 posts
Jul 23, 2009
4:40 PM
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Rookie
I dont know everything about Rollers I call myself " The Novice" when it comes to Rollers but if you need any advise call me at 702-238-2640 or Email me @ g1ruiz@cox.netI would be happy to share what little I have learned Flying and Breeding Rollers
George
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Windjammer Loft
859 posts
Jul 23, 2009
5:53 PM
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I think everyone would like their birds to come into the roll about 5-6 months. But lets face it they all "don't". I have 1 line(Fireballs)that comes in at top form 12-14 months. They all do some rolling at 3-6 months, 5-10 footers. But at maturity 12-14 they "really" turn it on doen 30-50 footers. And Iam fine with that.
One the other hand I have a line(Ruby's)that comes in anywhere from 4-8 months consistantly. But only doen 5-10 footers at this age. And Iam also fine with those birds too. This line should do better as they mature.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Jul 23, 2009 5:57 PM
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donnie james
593 posts
Jul 23, 2009
8:39 PM
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hay george i like my birds to come in about 6 months old and my blue almonds will come in at 6 months and my tom monsons birds this is the 1st year for them and i heard they come into the roll about 18 months old and guess i have wait and see on them and if they do they do because i really like tom monson family...............donny james
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macsrollers
151 posts
Jul 23, 2009
10:25 PM
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Most of my Ouellette stuff doesn't come in until 8-10 months on up to 14 months. Patience is the key. Some come in a little earlier. As long as the bird remains stable then the earlier the better. But my experience with most birds coming in before 5 - 6 months has not been good. Exciting when a bird starts spinning nice at 3 - 4 months- but that excitement has been short lived in my yard as the vast majority end up unstable with kitting problems, bumping, wiresitting, or rolling down. If one can develop a family of birds that come in at a very early age and they aren't one year wonders and remain stable in to their second year then great accomplishment! Don't have many early developers in the birds I am working with. But I think more important then early development is flying them out well into their second year to insure stability. Impressive to see a kit of youngsters that have just came in to the spin as a group and are at what I call their peak stage of developing. Just let them out and they perform. But go back a year later and see what is left of that same group and how impressive it is then. That is when you know someone has a good team of rollers!
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j .wanless
875 posts
Jul 24, 2009
6:35 AM
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hi all
anywhere from 3 to 5 month for me as i get most of my enjoyment from my y/brds.so i want to see them rolling as often as possible.but they must be stable + able to control themselves as i live in a built up area with 2 storey houses all around me.im flying 28 y/brd at the moment + i reckon theres around 12 or 14 that can roll as good as my old birds in speed + depth
+ theres only 1 that i reckon will not make it to maturity apart from the bop taking any as this 1 is a little red spangle that does about 40 ft + has had a few close calls.for me where i live 40 ft is the max
i like my birds to do around 20 to 30 ft.which my y/brds are doing now + only when they are at roof level do i get a bit worried.most of them are fine + most are early starters.i think it all depends on the family of birds you are flying.
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PAUL R.
63 posts
Jul 24, 2009
1:03 PM
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Well said Brian, I prefer the earlier developer that is stable. With the increase of predators now, Im breeding for an earlier bird that can be enjoyed longer opposed a bird that comes in at 5 to 6 months. These Predators are increasing in numbers which means less time to enjoy our birds.
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