jnyce
779 posts
Jul 29, 2009
2:04 PM
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This is a two part question first if your birds were spoked of or just lost and started flying with another kit of birds and the owner of the kif shakes his feed can and the bird or birds traps he feeds the birds as if it were his and dont say that he has your until you call or ask ? and question two is do you expect to get your birds if he strays it
jerry
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toronto15
257 posts
Jul 29, 2009
2:14 PM
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Jerry, it,s an unwritten rule, with fanciers, to report all banded strays and re-unite them with their owner. You must expect to get your bird back,otherwise the guy is nothing but a thief.Glen.
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Electric-man
2415 posts
Jul 29, 2009
2:46 PM
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One of the two of us would be getting an ass whipping! Won't tolerate a thief!
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Val
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jnyce
780 posts
Jul 29, 2009
2:59 PM
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Lol @ val
jerry t
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toughrollers
200 posts
Jul 29, 2009
3:00 PM
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i would put that person in my kit box.
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Toughrollers--Lofts
Ralph
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1266 posts
Jul 29, 2009
3:17 PM
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Val, We think a lot alike! Of course it's your bird Jerry and it needs to be returned!
Thom
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
373 posts
Jul 29, 2009
3:56 PM
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It is part of the sport in NY to try a stray or pull in other birds,that is a part of roof top flying there. JDA
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cv rollers
433 posts
Jul 29, 2009
4:00 PM
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If i lose a bird i dont expected it back,If some one calls me and says they have my bird,great ,i would offer them a soda or beer for returning my bird(just me)I would return a bird if i new who it belonged to and would not expect anything for returning it.u did not say the guy new it was ur bird or did he?was ur bird banded?if so yes i would agree with everyone and put him in a kit box without a trap door LOL
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Rick Flores
coachellavalleyrollers.net
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cv rollers
434 posts
Jul 29, 2009
4:03 PM
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JDA i heard that in NY u have to pay to get ur bird back like five bucks ,i think
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Rick Flores
coachellavalleyrollers.net
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katyroller
493 posts
Jul 29, 2009
5:57 PM
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If I went over to talk to the guy I would hope to get my birds back. I have lost birds in the past and never had one returned.
I flew rooftop birds in NYC and the pigeon wars were a way of life wether you wanted to play or not. Some would give birds back free but most would charge you to get them back. The performance goal was to develop a stock that would kit tightly and drop on a dime. BR's were not a real popular breed in the city and were mostly flown in Jersey or upstate NY.
Tracey
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Snake Doctor
GOLD MEMBER
421 posts
Jul 29, 2009
6:43 PM
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I am with Val!
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"Semper Fi"
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Roy
Georgia
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donnie james
628 posts
Jul 29, 2009
8:31 PM
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i'm with val to..................... and the butt kicking wouldn't be mine donny james
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roller alley
156 posts
Jul 29, 2009
10:13 PM
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hey Val the blue check looks like my bird ,ill be right over...LOL
i believe that if some one strays my birds in, they are welcomed to them,since it would be the fault of the owner for bad training, even though i have returned every bird i have strayed in with a # on it.would i physicaly confront some body for no fault of their own..no
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3242 posts
Jul 29, 2009
10:30 PM
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I grew up flying birds in NYC a rooftop flyer and Like JDA said it was a sport catching other flyers birds but we wouldn't call you even if you live across the street if you saw me bring them down you come over and get them but you had to pay a buck that's how we got our feed money,but it got to the point it became pigeons wars like Katyroller stated a way of life. If you caught my birds and I went to your roof I would get shot but as years went by I got older and crazyier
and if you caught my birds I would go to your roof mad as hell ..yo you got my bird and if I didn't get it somebody was getting thrown off. me, him or both...it wasn't fun no more glad I left the South Bronx and no body flys here where I'm at as least not miles away and thats guys with homers--..but we didn't fly rollers there were flights and Canadian high flyers and you fly these 200 to 300 at a time.I rememeber at one time I only had 23 Canadians and this guy name Frankie live 2 blocks down had 300 flights and I would bring 2 or 3 of his birds and he couldn't catch mine he would come up to my roof and ask for his birds back but compliment me in catching his birds with the little I had so I would give them back free and became friends made a promise if you catch mine or I catch yours we give them back no conditions but thats when I move a little further back up North..man wow this takes me back ..those were the days rooftop flying,now I'm a ground top flyer kitbox on top of my grass.....-------
Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
Last Edited by on Jan 24, 2010 9:17 AM
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RodSD
303 posts
Jul 29, 2009
10:44 PM
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When I found one roller that trapped with my homers I called the owner(Iceman710). He picked up the bird and in the end, he gifted me 6 birds. So doing good might give you a blessings. A week later when one of my roller got lost, I received a note and phone call that my missing roller went back to his place (2 miles from my home). I picked up the bird and I was very thankful. So as you can see it is like good karma.
I think it is just common courtesy and professionalism to return birds that are not yours. It can also show our real character. We are ambassadors to this roller sport. Represent well.
Last Edited by on Jul 29, 2009 10:46 PM
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Rob B.
9 posts
Jul 29, 2009
11:24 PM
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About 30 years ago I knew a man from New York. This guy
flew Tipplers he talked of roof wars. If he strayed your bird it was his choice return it,keep it,or cull it were you can see it. Sounds tough but that is what he told me. He was quite a bit older than I and full of
knowledge. Meet him through my rollers. He seen them fly one day and watched to see were they landed.
Last Edited by on Jul 29, 2009 11:25 PM
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PAUL R.
64 posts
Jul 30, 2009
8:06 AM
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Jynce, If you can hear the guy shaking the can to signal the birds down. YOU SHOULD have talk to the guy and ask him for your birds back. Now if he didnt give them back to you, then yes I would be upset and perhaps called the authorities with proof that I breed those birds.
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j .wanless
889 posts
Jul 30, 2009
8:14 AM
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hi all
jerry here in the uk it is an unwritten law that if you catch someones birds in you have to give them back
if you dont + you are in a club you will be kicked out
but it was not always like that .in pensoms day they used to catch each others birds in + sell them to the pet shop.it was a normal thing to do .but if you done that now all hell would break loose lol.
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
377 posts
Jul 30, 2009
8:29 AM
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The Black Country was famous for that back then. What a roller hot spot in the day. JDA
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Scott
2811 posts
Jan 23, 2010
11:43 AM
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Jerry .. no it isn't right as it is belongs to you.. I have a simular situation where someone has a couple of my birds that don't belong to them... the fact is if someone has something that doesn't belong to them they are an individule lacking integrity.. nothing more and nothing less.
As far as pigeon catching ... it don't fly unless all parties want to play.
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Scott Campbell
" God Bless "
Last Edited by on Jan 23, 2010 12:06 PM
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jnyce
852 posts
Jan 23, 2010
12:43 PM
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A Scott so what is it that u plan to do ???
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jerry t
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George R.
271 posts
Jan 23, 2010
3:19 PM
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if any of my Birds get Lost I dont want them Back , they have a fualt Called "LACK OF HOMING INSTINCT"""
I dont want to breed that into my Birds DO YOU ?
Last Edited by on Jan 23, 2010 3:42 PM
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TheGame
679 posts
Jan 23, 2010
11:42 PM
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I agree with George R a smart healthy bird should not have a problem finding its home.
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Scott
2813 posts
Jan 23, 2010
11:46 PM
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Jerry.. my situation is different.. but if someone traps in one of my birds .. yes I expect it back... If we were raising racing Homers than George and Came has a point.
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Scott Campbell
" God Bless "
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
659 posts
Jan 24, 2010
12:34 AM
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Scott...So you are saying that it is not a fault?That,s right, eye sign means nothing to you, I remember.JDA
Last Edited by on Jan 24, 2010 8:45 AM
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jnyce
856 posts
Jan 24, 2010
4:41 AM
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Well i didnt no that rollers had faults when it comes to homing
jerry t
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Scott
2814 posts
Jan 24, 2010
8:56 AM
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JDA..the fact is my A-team are all 2-5 years old .. and I don't stock youngsters.
But if someone is snagging up youngsters that aren't completly locked in or keeping someones birds from an overfly than "fault" has nothing to do with anything.
Now tell me Joe.. what does eyesign have anything to do with this topic or the price of tater tots in China ?
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Scott Campbell
" God Bless "
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
661 posts
Jan 24, 2010
9:24 AM
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Lack of homing instinct,That,s why.Homing instinct eye sign they go together.JDA
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Scott
2816 posts
Jan 24, 2010
9:48 AM
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JDA .. I would hope that you have far more important things to look for when it comes to stocking a bird than to take into account on what you think the eye sign should be for homing instinct.
If you don't stock out of the nest nor breed out of youngsters .. so such things should be non-issues.
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Scott Campbell
" God Bless "
Last Edited by on Jan 24, 2010 9:54 AM
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JMUrbon
871 posts
Jan 24, 2010
9:52 AM
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There are numerous reasons why a bird could get lost. Now if the bird was lost within eye sight of its owners loft then it needs to be culled. However weather, preditors or a young bird that has not built up his homing abilities yet is not a fault or a cull. I also believe that the only rule with eye sign in rollers is the fact that they have two eyes. Joe
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A Proven Family of Spinners
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Last Edited by on Jan 24, 2010 3:12 PM
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Alohazona
677 posts
Jan 24, 2010
10:21 AM
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Jerry,I think in your situation,it would be a little disturbing.
On the flip side of that,he's not getting your best.I don't care what the age,or what pairs they are off of etc.If you have done your best to trap train them,they should obey the property at least.
I have a gentlemen that lives fairly close to me and gets his fair share of overflys,I have called him several times that I identified one of his birds.He always wants to know the numbers on the band,even though his initials are on it,never once has he retrieved a bird.
I would not want any bird back that's gone astray,if someone were to bring one back,I would cull it without a second thought.If it was a breeder that got out,that's entirely different.....Aloha,Todd
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Scott
2817 posts
Jan 24, 2010
12:55 PM
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Just food for thought.. it is near impossible to fly off stiffs.
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Scott Campbell
" God Bless "
Last Edited by on Jan 24, 2010 12:56 PM
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