quickspin
1045 posts
Aug 04, 2009
10:53 PM
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There are still many that breed from unproven birds and next time you do it you really need to ask your self it's worth it?
As you should know if you been breeding for a while that no matter if they are nest mates they are not the same in performance. One bird could be a exemption-al spinner while the other one could be a cull. What would be the case of breeding the cull and having a kit full of them.
If we want to move forward we need to be really hard on what we breed. Also you don't need that many pairs you only need your best. Every time I hear that bird I'm going to stock for any reason and they already have so many pairs to begin with and the bird just been 4-5 months in the air. I made many mistakes on breeding unproven birds and birds too early that produce more culls.
For me to try a bird out in the breeding loft has to be better than the last one I put down for breeding. By doing this way I'm moving forward not going backwards by breeding unproven birds. We still don't know what we get from proven birds now imagine from unproven.
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J_Star
2054 posts
Aug 05, 2009
7:48 AM
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If you don't mind me asking you..how do you match your birds for breeding. What kind of cock on what kind of hen you put together! We all have certain criteria for the cock and hen for the breeding loft, what is your criteria.
Others who would like to put their input are welcome. Thanks.
Jay
Last Edited by on Aug 05, 2009 11:55 AM
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
392 posts
Aug 05, 2009
9:27 AM
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JStar...Best to best that is what the rule of thumb has always been with this fun little bird.That means balanced birds-- speed, kitting,depth,wing action,well all that you look for in a quality roller.JDA
Last Edited by on Aug 05, 2009 10:34 AM
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J_Star
2056 posts
Aug 05, 2009
11:55 AM
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If that is what is to it, then everybody would have outstanding rollers in their loft. I think there are more to it than that.
Jay
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
394 posts
Aug 05, 2009
12:26 PM
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JStar..Now you have the birds you have and you breed the best you have to the best you have. That is the only way to get anything out of the family you have chosen.That works for everybody and the family they have chosen.Everybody would get the best they could get out of there birds.JDA
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J_Star
2057 posts
Aug 05, 2009
12:57 PM
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Okay I'll buy that. Then how do you advance your birds to the next level?
Jay
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
395 posts
Aug 05, 2009
1:21 PM
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J Stat.. You just keep watching your birds in the air and breed best to best. P.S You will have a great feeling when it starts to click and that will be your your own family starting from your best.JDA
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quickspin
1048 posts
Aug 05, 2009
1:27 PM
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I try to balance both out. Usually they already have to have almost a full package to even consider breeding them. That is why is really hard to consider a bird for the breeding loft not easy. Is not just because this bird rolls or is out this famous bird I'm going to breed it.
Ones you see a good bird it sticks on your head everything else seems worthless of breeding. And we don't have to make excuses for any bird doing something wrong.
This cock I just put away for breeding flown him since last year. Who ever saw this bird could testify how good it was. He was around 40' plenty of work rate H style, very good speed. Exit the roll facing the kit, good back muscle. after it roll It got back to the kit right away faster than birds not as deep as him.
 2008 ICRC-08-2447 COCK
Breeding to this hen that I flown since last year. She was a little faster than him because she was smaller. She was A style 35' same as him every time the kit broke this two roll from the front of the kit same second. I feel they match perfect
 2008 ICRC-08-2436 HEN
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quickspin
1049 posts
Aug 05, 2009
1:38 PM
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I have not stock any cock since 2005 this is the first one in 2009.
The first hen I stock was the full sister to this 2436 Grizzle I stock this year. Same performance from both just his years hen is a little deeper.
 RED GRIZZLE HEN, 2007 NBRC-07-R-0149 HEN
The 2nd hen I stock was this Grizzle which is the fastest bird I have seen mother to the white. This bird when she roll show no wing at all this is my goal. But I have not even bred a 2nd bird close to her speed.
 2007 NBRC-07-D-1000 HEN
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
396 posts
Aug 05, 2009
1:39 PM
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quickspin.. If you have raised that bird out of your breeders, You would put it back on the cock or hen that produced it.JDA
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quickspin
1051 posts
Aug 05, 2009
2:18 PM
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Her father is no longer fertile he is too old. I had plenty of nestmates to her so I send 2 to another state to my friend. And then I lost 4 to a over fly the same time only 1000d came back out of 24 birds and was my best one. Right now trying to get back a full brother to 1000d. If not I'm breeding the son back to her.
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J_Star
2059 posts
Aug 05, 2009
7:59 PM
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Quickspin, thanks for your informative posts. If you don't mind me asking you and Joe what is your difinition of hot birds? Alot of people refer to a family of rollers that pack lots of heat...what does that mean to you? I noticed that people have different meaning to the word heat and I would like to hear of others definition of it.
Jay
Last Edited by on Aug 05, 2009 8:04 PM
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macsrollers
169 posts
Aug 05, 2009
8:50 PM
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By breeding out of proven birds picked from the air you enhance your chances of success. But a proven bird in the air is still a bird that you are breeding out of that is unproven as a producer. Breeding best to best in the air is a good start, but I think Jays' second post is on track that there is much more to it then that. It is really about learning the traits of the families of birds you are working out of and what each individual you have stocked is capable of producing. It is a never ending learning curve on what each bird and bloodline contributes to your successes and failures. By breeding first from proven birds out of the air and then proving them out in the breeding loft and learning what they can provide towards your successes you are enhancing your chances of raising a higher percentage of good rollers. In a recent article/interview by Jerry Higgins he states that he is to the point of knowing that he is able to produce a high percentage of good birds, not all exceptional birds but good birds. I'm still working towards that goal! Enjoy your next fly! Don M. LVRC
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