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first kit, bird rolls frequently, but won't kit
first kit, bird rolls frequently, but won't kit
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steve49
166 posts
Aug 12, 2009
5:28 PM
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the bird in my first kit is a nice performer. its been flying out about 4 weeks, and started about a week ago either flying above or away from the kit for part of the time. i'm guessing since it rolls so frequently (2x minute, or more) and about 15 to 20feet, it distances itself from the kit, and has to expend too much energy to rejoin it, so it kinda waits till the kit is nearby and then rejoins it. its easily the best roller i've got in this 18 bird kit, as the others are only starting a flip or two, and some aren't even doing that.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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david94
94 posts
Aug 12, 2009
10:45 PM
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Steve 49
I am experiencing exactly the same problems! Every bird that comes into the roll, for a short period of time avoids the kit.
The birds are stimulated to roll when in close proximity to the kit, and until they become physically and mentally strong enough will limit their contact with the kit.
I was advised to keep flying them, and for me this is working!
Don’t be to concerned about the birds who aren’t doing to much in the form of rolling at the moment flying times and kitting are more important!
I found last season, it being my first that the early rolling birds for me didn’t finish the season as the most accomplished.
David
Last Edited by on Aug 13, 2009 5:35 AM
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PAUL R.
78 posts
Aug 12, 2009
11:15 PM
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You may consider putting your early developer with an older more active kit. This way, the team will be setting up for breaks and your bird will fit right in with this type of team and keep up.
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Velo99
2149 posts
Aug 13, 2009
10:41 AM
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Dont worry about that type of behavior til after the first moult If they dont get over it, its a control issue and its a cull. You make the determination as to how long to put up with it.
yits
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Neo the 1
311 posts
Aug 13, 2009
10:56 AM
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l would kill it or get rid of it. Whats the point of flying a bird as a team player. When it wont kit. In my eyes l ain't bothered if its the best roller l have ever seen. A bad kit bird to me ain't worth a fart. Once its learnt to fly on its own it wont change. I can understand when you am just starting to break the young birds out they skim round in and out the kit. But if its doing its own thing now and come on the roll and staying out the kit. You could try flying it with an old bird team. That way its rolling with old birds. BUT as soon as it shows me and fault. its dead
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J_Star
2075 posts
Aug 13, 2009
11:04 AM
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I hate to disappoint you steve49, but this birds is going to be a roll down soon.
Jay
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steve49
168 posts
Aug 13, 2009
1:07 PM
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David, thanx for the advice. i've been trying to remain patient, but since this kit has only been flying since July 10, they're simply still learning (just like me). i expect better as they get older.
Jay, i hope your wrong.
Neo, i hope your wrong too! many have advised to have patience, and i think this is just another one of those times. afterall, a 3 month old shouldn't have to be perfect before you cull it, right? at what age should it go into a second chance kit? not sure, but i plan on giving these birds plenty of chances. i don't even have a breeding loft setup yet. bought both my kits from the same breeder, who told me to breed next years birds from the youngsters that i'm flying now. however, i'm not going to take that advice, because i want to first determine if they're still flying good as old birds, before i start a breeding program around them. if they turn out to be good their second season, then i wouldn't hesitate to use them as stock birds.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3265 posts
Aug 13, 2009
1:38 PM
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Steve my advise is why keep flying it if he is going to keep doing that >kitting on its own or what have you.usually when a bird start rolling that early could turn into a roll down .well I took the one I had that roll down at two month and lock it down took it out in 3 weeks and its not rolling down as of yet rolling with the team but avoiding bumping too..maybe he mature a little withen the 3 weeks rest..when a bird flys too long or too high or doesn't kit then you are doing something wrong in your management .I take the blame first before culling it .then after I blame the bird..
in your last sentence about the breeding program shows you are learning well keep up the good work..good luck,..
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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Buck
6 posts
Aug 13, 2009
1:44 PM
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Steve
I've found that, in some birds, the roll scares them when starting to roll & they avoid the kit, knowing other birds trigger them into the roll. Given time and experience, they get over it. You are right, be patient!
Buck
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3267 posts
Aug 13, 2009
1:48 PM
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That's exactly right buck some get scare ..and some get over it ..those with no heart never do...
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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steve49
172 posts
Aug 13, 2009
3:42 PM
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Ralph, see, even you can change your mind. i'm not sure if i'm causing this bird (ironically, it may have culled itself tonite, as it didn't return after its fly) to fly away from the kit or not. flying rollers has a steep learning curve, and boy, i'm definitely at the bottom looking up. ;-) i might be guilty of keeping the bird in the kit too long, as i love to watch it roll. the others are kitting well, but only a few flips or tail sits is what i'm seeing from them. that's not to say they won't come into the roll later on. our first competition fly is in mid sept, and they better do better or i'm just throwing money away.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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J_Star
2081 posts
Aug 13, 2009
7:10 PM
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Steve, we've been at it for too long. I hope you will post the result of the bird outcome in three weeks and let us know what happen. Today is August 13 and you said the birds started to fly on July 10th. That is one month of flying and if the bird starting to roll at that age, it is always bad news. Be paitiant and just let us know the outcome. however, if the bird hit the ground hard, just spray water on his head and beak right away to revive him.
Jay
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steve49
175 posts
Aug 14, 2009
5:11 PM
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Jay, thanx for the kind words and encouragement. the bird did make it back, but almost an hour late. and i have no idea if it landed somewhere. either way, it flew with the kit today, and it NEVER LEFT THE KIT! go figure, maybe because it was super hungry, but i was surprised it flew 30 minutes with the kit before coming down with them. i added an electrolyte/vitamin and probios to the water tonite, as both kits had just recently gotten their 2nd followup worming (wazine, 1 oz/gal). the breeder of my kits said to give the bird time, and it might just be an early developer. i didn't buy that totally, but i'll just report back periodically on how its doing. after rereading Pensom's book, it seems later developing birds are more stable, whereas early, deep youngster, could become too dangerous, as others have stated above.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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