cv rollers
443 posts
Aug 13, 2009
10:46 AM
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---------My first kit of 09 is about 6 months flyin together now ,kitting good and rolling,my question is when do i stop flyin them twice a day ?3-4 roll together now ,should i keep flyin them 6 days a week also?.dont want them to get stiff ?? any input would be appreciated..ps i just started feeding them 12% no corn????
Rick Flores
coachellavalleyrollers.net
Last Edited by on Aug 13, 2009 10:47 AM
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Neo the 1
312 posts
Aug 13, 2009
11:05 AM
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keep them going. they am doing every thin what you want out of a team of young birds. As soon as you change some thin like a couple of days in you will see them change. Start banging on the back or opening up. birds coming to much?? I say why fix some thin that ain't broke. ALL THE BEST
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1321 posts
Aug 13, 2009
11:06 AM
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Rick, I would drop back to once a day on flying them. You could even give them a rest day but as long as they are flying and kitting, I would fly them all you want. They are young birds and need air time to learn and gain strength. I think I would start them on more protein if you are going to feed a mix.
Thom
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J_Star
2076 posts
Aug 13, 2009
11:06 AM
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When they start spinning good you should start flying them once every other day.
Jay
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cv rollers
444 posts
Aug 13, 2009
11:17 AM
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thanks guys,oldfart what% do u think i should use,was feeding 18%mix,thought 12% was better but i was just assuming.I feed 1 1/2 tuna can for 17 birds,1/2 when they fly in A.M. the rest when they come in in P.M.what do u recommend
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Rick Flores
coachellavalleyrollers.net
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steve49
167 posts
Aug 13, 2009
1:00 PM
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as per Thom's recommendation, i'd go with 1/3 ration in the a.m. fly, and the remaining 2/3 in the p.m. fly. works great for me, and i do it every weekend (twice a day)
Jay, about how old would you say the birds should be when you start them flying every other day? i was told to fly 'em so they get strong, twice on weekends too.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3266 posts
Aug 13, 2009
1:45 PM
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I don't go by how old a bird should be to stop flying them everyday I go by how they doing as in rolling performing more action doing it the right way.then I fly every other day. but when young I fly to build them up get them fit that is....just concern on them kitting and doing the time when young..
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
Last Edited by on Aug 13, 2009 8:18 PM
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1324 posts
Aug 13, 2009
3:18 PM
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Rick, The mix I was using said 15% guaranteed. I have been talking to a friend that also flys Rubys and feeds nothing but white wheat to his kit birds. I am thinking seriously about trying this. I am torn between wheat and pellets, both would insure an even distribution of feed. The salt content is what worries me about the pellets but there are some low salt pellets available. I tried 50%wheat and 50% milo, my birds went sky high. So high I worried if I would ever see them again. We have discussed feed several times and I'm still lost. In the final analysis it's what works best for your birds and what you can afford.
Thom
Last Edited by on Aug 13, 2009 3:24 PM
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steve49
170 posts
Aug 13, 2009
3:30 PM
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just curious, how did they arrive at feeding only white wheat? isn't that lacking in nutrients found in other grains?
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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cv rollers
445 posts
Aug 13, 2009
3:31 PM
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thanks oldfart ,some of my club members use wheat&milo and they sky out sometimes,also i hate that, scared to lose a hole kit ..will mess with the feed and see how it works,thank u guys for responding
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Rick Flores
coachellavalleyrollers.net
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1325 posts
Aug 13, 2009
4:24 PM
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steve49, Hey Steve, I'm not qualified to answer that question but I will ask my friend to explain it and get back to you.
Thom
Last Edited by on Aug 14, 2009 7:48 AM
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RodSD
332 posts
Aug 13, 2009
7:59 PM
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One grain is not enough for feed. They won't get all the nutrients needed. If you insist, then you probably need to give them separate vitamins/minerals. But still probably have missing amino acids necessary for body functions. In the wild feral pigeons were known to eat snails. I suppose they do that for protein.
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bman
706 posts
Aug 14, 2009
5:21 AM
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Thom here it goes! When my birds are 5-7 months old they have a tendency too fly fast & high,that is when they go on straight white wheat. The wheat I buy averages 11-12% protein. I know some will argue with that but that is what the feed mills guruanteed analysis is! This accomplishes a couple of things. Everyone is on the same page with nutrition,it slows the wing beat down and drops the height they are flying. Which also induces more rolling due to the slower flying. I feel I have much more control over the birds by simply increasing or decreasing the amount.They get Pro-vital once a week & ACV once a week. Grit is given twice a month.I have been on this program for two years and have yet to see a down side.
Now I do watch the birds fly times and performance closely and will on occasion substitute 14% mix if I feel the are in need of a little boost.
As far as nutritional value I have a friend who is an accomplished flier that feeds wheat from they time they hit the kit box at 4 weeks old with out any problems. I now a lot will want to argue with this but it is working great for me.IMHO
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1329 posts
Aug 14, 2009
7:59 AM
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Thanks Ron, I appreciate you answering that question. We are all on a learning curve and what works for one family, might not for another. We are flying the same family and I think what applies to yours will be close with mine. The plus side other then your success would be cost. I can buy three bags of wheat for the price of one bag of mix. Not that I would keep my birds if I could not take care of them, but in this economy every little bit adds up.
Thanks, Ron
Thom
Last Edited by on Aug 14, 2009 8:03 AM
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bman
707 posts
Aug 14, 2009
8:17 AM
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Thom,I might add that I tried the 50/50 wheat milo thing.And for maintenance flying I had to make too many adjusments trying to keep a handle on them.They were prone too sky out on that ration.I also feel the quality of performance went down with milo, although it seemed too increase frequency.
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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