J_Star
2090 posts
Aug 17, 2009
6:04 AM
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List,
This is a new challenge for me. Few friends have recommended to me and I have been pondering for sometimes now about running for NBRC elected position. I am going to nominate myself for NBRC Secretary-Treasurer position. This post is a very political position currently. Bob Berggren is well connected with some senior NBRC members. He always runs uncontested and for so many years. However, the NBRC books have never been audited as far as I know and for a long time. I want to establish an audit on them books for transperacy reasons. He is a nice guy, however, it time for somebody new to take over the responsibility which gives me the energy to challenge him for the post. If I win the position, I will request and insist that the books be audited before I get them and to be audited every fiscal year while they are in my possession. I am educated individual with a Batchers degree in Computer and Information Science. A Masters Degree in Business Administration (MBA) and also Microsoft Certified Solution Developer. I have been at my profession for 22 years.
Please folks support me and vote for me if you think I am worthy of handling the NBRC finances. Thanks.
Jay Alnimer.
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XtraDeepRoller
17 posts
Aug 17, 2009
6:46 AM
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Hey Jay,
You got my vote bud, and I will campaign to all my roller buddies for you! I couldn't think of a better or more qualified member to run for that position. You are right, it is about time for new blood in that position and for a long overdue independent audit. An annual audit should have always been required.
X
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old guy
45 posts
Aug 17, 2009
7:09 AM
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Jay,
I'm sure you would do a great job in the office but this is not a good way to start your campaign by smearing a man who has worked hard for our club for many years. We have seen enough of this kind of politics at the national level; I don't think we need it in our hobby.
Wayne
Last Edited by on Aug 17, 2009 7:09 AM
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cv rollers
449 posts
Aug 17, 2009
9:54 AM
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I agree with old guy and if it not broken dont fix it.JMO
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Rick Flores
coachellavalleyrollers.net
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BA Rollers
278 posts
Aug 17, 2009
3:27 PM
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It has been my understanding that Bob has wanted to quit for several years but no one would offer to take the job. Jay, if you are willing to do so, I believe you will be running uncontested.
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sundance
1140 posts
Aug 17, 2009
4:48 PM
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It does sound like you are very qualified for the job Jay.
But I also see no reason to insinuate any wrong doing from the current position holder. I dont think I`ve ever heard a bad word about Bob.
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Butch @
Sundance Roller Lofts
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XtraDeepRoller
18 posts
Aug 17, 2009
5:06 PM
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Butch,
I don't think that Jay is insinuating anything with the audit. Every non-profit organization, that I have ever been involved with, has had annual independent audits done of their financial records. This should also be done every year by the NBRC. These audits keep everybody honest, and allows the members to have faith that their club's finances are in order. Asking for the audit does not mean we are accusing Bob of anything, just bringing the NBRC up to speed with the above-board way that other organizations operate. I'm sure that Bob would have no problem with the audit, as long as his books are all in order, as they should be.
X
Last Edited by on Aug 17, 2009 6:18 PM
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2006 posts
Aug 18, 2009
6:18 AM
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Jay
You are challenging a major component of the NBRC leadership structure. As far as I can tell, there is a possibility that the two Bobs are a team and they have always said that one's leaving may influence the other's decision as to whether they stay or go. I could be all wet but they do work well together. You may need to have men run for both positions, Sec-Treas and Publisher!
Without touching on whether Bob B has problems, he has served the NBRC long and well. It may be time to pass the torch but that is for the voters to decide.
But be positive......I hate to see you indulge in a negative campaign when there are other roads/issues to use. Good luck!
Cliff
Last Edited by on Aug 18, 2009 7:40 AM
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XtraDeepRoller
20 posts
Aug 18, 2009
6:32 AM
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Cliff,
The Publisher is an appointed position, not an elected one. I wouldn't be so sure that Bob Simpson would leave if Bergerron goes. I think that pledge was more on Bergerron's side than on Simpson's.
X
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
417 posts
Aug 18, 2009
6:41 AM
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J.. The Treasury was striped in the 80,s and went up someones nose, The club almost folded.It is strong again and that is a big thing. I thank a drug test should always go with that office, so the 80,s problem does not happen again.JDA
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2007 posts
Aug 18, 2009
6:45 AM
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X,
That was just a little humor. Of course you are correct in the Publisher being an appointed position. The main point is that their comittment to stay or to go "together" may have an impact on any vote.
Cliff
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J_Star
2096 posts
Aug 18, 2009
7:52 AM
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Negative campaign is NOT my style. I understand a huge politics behind that post. It is not my intention to cause any issues politically or not. If the things the way they are, is best, then I will leave it alone and walk away so that not to disturb the current process.
However, Cliff, you make it sound that the Bobs are holding the club hostage (lol).
Jay Alnimer
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3596 posts
Aug 18, 2009
8:27 AM
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Jay, right now there is a "process" that works. While there may be shortcomings, are these threatening the clubs long term viability? Something to think about: when we attempt to change an established process, we have to ensure that in doing so, we don't inadvertently destroy that process.
Consider pushing for an annual outside audit. Perhaps a budget oversight position can be established to ensure some level of transparency.
Best of luck!
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Tony Chavarria
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J_Star
2097 posts
Aug 18, 2009
8:32 AM
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Tony, that is why the post is up. I want to hear my friends input. Whether it is bad or good before I move and do anything.
Jay Alnimer
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3597 posts
Aug 18, 2009
8:39 AM
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Jay, now you know why you are on my Forum Committee!
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Tony Chavarria
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Windjammer Loft
887 posts
Aug 18, 2009
8:43 AM
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I have to say my piece on this one....and "STAND" behind Jay all the way....I think Jay would make a good NBRC Secretary-Treasurer.Change is always good. And I think Jay would bring alot to the table for us. All Jay did was make a comment about having the books audited. And a well needed comment. You guys are acting like Jay is trying to,or wants to "Over Throw" the govenment.. Come on....get real.. Jay has just stated a known fact. As far as I know the books have never been audited for several years. Nothing wrong wtih keeping things honest... Jay never said that anything was "broken". And I think that comment is "GARBAGE". Keeping things in check,especially when it's about $$$ money $$$,well lets just say that is "good" planning. Go gett'em Jay...I got your back on this one.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3598 posts
Aug 18, 2009
8:59 AM
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Paul, yeah, I don't think Jay meant his opening statement to come across as sounding negative toward any Bob. He, merely shared his view and raised what are concerns to him. Since the position is coming up, and he has an interest in it, there has to be some reason/s to change from the status-quo and so he touched on those. I knew what Jay meant.
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Tony Chavarria
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Windjammer Loft
889 posts
Aug 18, 2009
9:11 AM
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Tony I see your point very clearly. But some others made comments that were "out" from left field. Nothing said about smearing a man.. or that anything was broken..or insunating wrong doings. Where in the hell did Jay make any such statements?? Now,comments like this is what makes my blood boil... Don't read anything else into what Jay is saying....
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Aug 18, 2009 10:22 AM
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2008 posts
Aug 18, 2009
9:12 AM
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Jay
Keep in mind that the "stability" of the NBRC seems to revolve around the Sec-treasury and the Publisher positions. The President, Vice-president and RD's come and go, but the two Bob's have remained and have done the job well for over a decade. The NBRC has a solid financial position and we can depend on a good Bulletin each month. There are many members who will not want to risk changing that. As you probably know, the NBRC has gone through some difficult years with these particular positions before they came on board.
I am not trying to discourage your running for an elected office, by any means, just to share a little background with you, so you know what's involved. A positive-run campaign with expectations of being in office for several years, is something to be considered. Being an RD first would be a great first step to seeing how the NBRC EC operates, and it would make for a smooth transition to other offices later. The point I was making was that your original post may not have been the way to start off on the right foot. That type of thing cannot be taken back easily. I have made my share of mistakes and I know what I am talking about!
I am very happy that a qualified individual , such as you, is interested in running for such a position.
Cliff
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XtraDeepRoller
21 posts
Aug 18, 2009
10:22 AM
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Cliff,
You almost sound like you are trying to discourage Jay, that's not the way you felt when we talked at the convention.
Jay should run, it is an open position, he is interested in taking it on, and he is well qualified for the position, so let the voters decide!
Cliff, as a good friend of Jay, you should get off the fence instead of being wishy-washy.
X
Last Edited by on Aug 18, 2009 10:24 AM
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fhtfire
2046 posts
Aug 18, 2009
10:45 AM
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Guys....lets not make a mountain out of a mole hill....Jay threw his hat in the ring and that is it....I know that Jay respects Bob as well as I....he was one the really helped me in the planning of the convention....I will say this...he is very very concerned when it comes to spending the money...and has his thumb on the pulse...
This is an election and let the voters make the decision...I know both Jay and Bob and I know that Jay did not mean anything by his post...and if someone gets upset about facts that is to bad...The fact is...any organization that has a bank account...and a pretty large account...should have the books audited at least once a year or every other year.....it keeps everybody honest...but also...helps with mistakes that could have been made in the positive or the negative....that is a fact...audits should be done.
Man..it seems like negativity is showing its ugly head...everywhere I turn..SOMEBODY had to make a smart ass comment....or stir up anything negative.
Geez man.....Jay was just announcing his hat being in the ring.....nothing more nothing less....
Nobody is saying Bob's have not done a good job or bad job...nobody is saying the Bobs have done anything wrong or anything...
Being an RD first ....come one....it takes one email to find out how the EC works.....there is no position in the NBRC that any person with a sound mind could not do....IT s a club........anybody should be able to throw there hat in the ring and the the members vote....nothing more nothing less....
So lets stay postive...and just say..Congrats Jay..throw you hat in the ring and see what happens...
We complain because nobody ever wants to do anything and then when somebody does...we get negative....NOT everyone...but man....What happened...LOL..
rock and ROLL
Paul
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J_Star
2098 posts
Aug 18, 2009
11:10 AM
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Thank you to Both Pauls, and all people participating and providing their honest and candid feedback.
I know that the club is watching their money closely and I know that the club finances have been the last 6 years at around the same money…not growing. I have plans to bring up with the EC, in due time, to show them how thousands of dollars can be generated to the club and to the Regionals. How the W/C and the Fall flys cost could become $0 and flying the judges, conventions and NBRC functions paid by the NBRC from the money that was generated and put in a general fund. Folks, we are in the 21st century and we should think like one. New willing blood will invigorate the club…just like adding vigor to our birds (lol).
Jay Alnimer
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3600 posts
Aug 18, 2009
11:11 AM
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Paul, I love the interview article we did. Good stuff!
Paul, your post reflects a deeper condition of our in-your-face society. I have been on the receiving end of it lately and no doubt others have and others will be. Within the lines of the roller hobby, factions are being created and this trend does not bode well for the larger fancy.
I used to think how special kids were (...they are our future...) OMG, I realized they become us! LOL
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Tony Chavarria
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Scott
2485 posts
Aug 18, 2009
11:26 AM
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Jay, they don't want the money growing because it is non-profit, this is the reason they give back to the membership in the way of the convention, of coarse they want to insure that the club is sound financialy also.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2009 posts
Aug 18, 2009
12:01 PM
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X,
BECAUSE Jay is my good friend, I am trying to give him the necessary background information so that he knows exactly what he is up against. That's all. I'd rather he knew the details up-front, rather than to find out later and wonder why I didn't let him know. In addition, he was just appointed RD of Region 3B, getting thrown in the middle of things in his region, when the competition is only a few weeks away.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Aug 18, 2009 12:04 PM
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J_Star
2099 posts
Aug 18, 2009
12:30 PM
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I am on a roll with that Cliff like an old pro (lol). Richard Miller is going to be the judge.
Jay Alnimer
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2010 posts
Aug 18, 2009
12:32 PM
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Excellent, Jay! By the way, your first post reads much better, now. I like the idea that you are running on "ISSUES" not "PERSONALITIES". When officers run unopposed for many years it creates a legitimate cause for concern. (Those of you who enjoy the hobby and are qualified to hold a regional or national office, should consider giving back to the hobby by volunteering your time and talents.)
Just as Term limits have been discussed in government offices, it may also be a valid consideration within the NBRC....when we can get people to step up, that is.
Cliff
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
421 posts
Aug 18, 2009
6:29 PM
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J...Dito on reads much better now.JDA
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3604 posts
Aug 18, 2009
6:43 PM
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Jay, I nominate you to the position of NBRC Secretary-Treasurer. May the force be with you young Luke!
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Tony Chavarria
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2011 posts
Aug 19, 2009
6:12 AM
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Tony,
Make it official! Send it in to Pat Vanderpool of the nominating committee. (See the last NBRC Bulletin)
Cliff
Last Edited by on Aug 19, 2009 7:47 AM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3607 posts
Aug 19, 2009
7:22 AM
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Cliff, good idea, do you have his address? I cannot locate my most recent issue of the bulletin. I know its around, but can't currently find it. LOL Thank you!
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Tony Chavarria
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2012 posts
Aug 19, 2009
7:46 AM
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Pat Vanderpool
PO Box 9, Silvana, WA 98287
425-220-1051
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J_Star
2101 posts
Aug 19, 2009
8:13 AM
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I spent alot of time with Pat at the California convention and he rode the bus sitting infornt of me. We had great time talking about everything. He told lots of things about his personal life. Very nice guy.
Any way, I sent an email to Bob B asking him if he is intersted of passing the torch just yet based on some rummers and if he is then I am intersted to nominate myself for the postion so that we can eliminate disturbing the current process and if there is a transition, the transition would be smooth and friendly. I have not heard anything back yet.
I know there are lots of people are sitting on the side line and not providing their feedback for one reason or another. Their feedback is very important to me no matter if it is for me or against me. If you wish to be private and confidential then please email me at jay.alnimer@dfas.mil and your feedback will stay confidential.
Tony, thanks and appreciated.
The last thing I want to do is create a division in this hobby and I will assure you that I will avoid it at any cost. Thanks.
Jay Alnimer
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3608 posts
Aug 19, 2009
8:26 AM
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Jay, your welcome! I will mail it today! Let me know if there is anything I can do to assist in your campaign if you go through with it. Best of luck!
PS Thanks Cliff.
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Tony Chavarria
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Richard
106 posts
Aug 19, 2009
11:04 AM
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Jay Good luck.
I just hope we don't forget the amound of time and dedication they both gave to the NBRC over the years. The NBrc is and was very fortunate to have both men step up and save the club from serious trying times. There were and are the heart behind the NBRC. Bob B and Bob S. have done a good job over the years. Most on this list don't know or remember the bad time the NBRC had before these two men came in to office.
The NBRC was bankrup at the time they took over.
The members were asked to donate money so the club could buy computers etc to keep it's head above water. We never had an accounting of where the money was spent, until Bob S appeared.
thousand of dollars were never accounted for and the NBRC was with out any money. That has been turned around by them.
I know both men had some hard time in life during their tour and we always had an accounting of the funds and a bulletin .
Jay good luck and just want to inform you that the job is very time comsuming. The Treasury job is worse. God bless both men who keep the NBRC afloat over the years. A big Thanks from Me and good luck to any one who is willing to step in and do the job. The club needs good men to strp forward.
Richard
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
427 posts
Aug 19, 2009
12:08 PM
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J... Can you fill out your profile to let people know who you are?JDA
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katyroller
508 posts
Aug 19, 2009
1:03 PM
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To anyone that decides to step up and run for a NBRC position, Good Luck! I have one request that is in no way directed toward anyone in particular. I ask that if elected everyone promote and encourage ALL aspects of the hobby. I have been reading posts all day where individuals are letting everyone know that they are running for a position. My problem is that many of these same individuals have posted on Forums in the recent past, bad mouthing folks that choose to be backyard fanciers or bad mouthing fanciers that like the rare colors. I ask that the new motto not be, "put up or shut up", we all have something to contribute to the hobby.
Tracey
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2014 posts
Aug 19, 2009
1:14 PM
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Absolutely, Tracey. Remember that 80% of the membership of the NBRC are backyard flyers. Most all of us started out in the hobby that way.
Cliff
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
431 posts
Aug 19, 2009
1:39 PM
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Tracey...And most of them are very happy being just that,the back bone of this hobby.JDA
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George R.
44 posts
Aug 19, 2009
1:49 PM
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I am still a Backyard Flyer but twice a year ( W.C. Fall Fly)I try to fly a good kit for whoever comes to our loft and see our kits fly.
George
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J_Star
2105 posts
Aug 20, 2009
5:15 AM
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I received a response from Bob Berggren. He is interested in passing the torch if a suitable successor is found. He indicated to me that the job like a child of his due to the length of time he put into it. He said he will call me shortly.
Jay
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2015 posts
Aug 20, 2009
6:54 AM
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Jay,
Good deal. It seems that the days of not being able to find men willing to step up to lead the hobby are coming to an end. I think the roller hobby may be entering a new era where we are getting qualified men that are willing to take on leadership positions. Let's hope so! It may be hard for those men who have held the line in some of those positions for so long to pass the torch, fearing that things may relapse. My hat's off to them. We owe them our gratitude.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Aug 20, 2009 6:55 AM
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J_Star
2106 posts
Aug 20, 2009
7:13 AM
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Captain X,
Please email me so I can get your email address. Thanks.
Jay
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