wannaroll
2 posts
Aug 18, 2009
12:14 AM
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I'm a first timer. My breeders have a baby and and egg in the nest. She laid them 3 days apart but it's been 5 days since the first baby was born. This is their first breeding. How long should I wait before I remove the egg.
Also, How long before they will breed again? Like I said I'm a newbee.
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1339 posts
Aug 18, 2009
3:52 AM
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wannaroll, That egg is probably not good. If you hold it up to the light and it is dark but with no sign of hatching discard it. If it is clear, discard it. Salmonella will cause some eggs to go dark or the growing squab to die. I would recommend that you give your birds Apple Cider Vinegar (with the mother) Bragg's is a good brand, at the rate of one teaspoon per gal of water to prevent this. I do this every third day for all my birds whether they are breeding or kit birds.
I hope this helps.
Thom
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shukz
65 posts
Aug 18, 2009
6:37 AM
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Hey wannaroll,you wont wait long 4 them to lay again,my breeders usually lay eggs again about 2 to 3 weeks after,most times my baby's are still in the nest pans when the hen lays again,you should get a foster pair if you wana speed up the proccess,and yes take the games advice,candle the eggs,even a flash light works well,i usually do it after the 3rd day.
SHUKZ(RSA)
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1340 posts
Aug 18, 2009
8:53 AM
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wannaroll, Your hen will lay in roughly fourteen to eighteen days. I wait until I see the cock and hen cuddled up over the squabs, this is a sign they are ready to mate again. This will be a least until you have banded the baby or after seven to ten days. Then provide her with another nest bowl if there is room in the breeding cage. They will re-mate, lay new eggs and still feed the first baby.
Thom
Last Edited by on Aug 18, 2009 9:35 AM
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shukz
66 posts
Aug 18, 2009
8:53 AM
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wannaroll,the hen wont lay right away,it myt in the next two weeks,my hens usually lay again when the squab is about 20 days old.
SHUKZ(RSA)
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1341 posts
Aug 18, 2009
9:03 AM
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wannaroll, If this first baby is by it's self in the nest bowl. Make sure you provide adequate nesting material or it could become spradle legged. A condition were one leg is misshapen because it slides out to one side and becomes permanent.
Thom
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wannaroll
5 posts
Aug 18, 2009
12:01 PM
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I just built another nestbox and put some pine needles in there and the hen is going nuts in the new nestbox. The cock has been sitting on the squab and the unhatched egg. I will use a maglite tonight to view the egg and determine it's demise.
I need to study up on egg candling.
If you can't see thru it it's dead?
If it's clear it's not fertile? How many days?
I should be able to see an embryo? How many days?
Any help would be gladly taken.
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1343 posts
Aug 18, 2009
12:58 PM
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wannaroll, I wait for seven days before I candle my eggs. I use any fairly low wattage light bulb. 60watts will work fine. Hold the egg between your thumb and index finger and cup your free hand under the egg as a safety measure. Hold the egg in front of the light, at seven days you should be able to see red veins running from the yolk in a radiating pattern.
If the egg is clear, it's not fertile. Once I determine an egg is fertile, I leave it ALONE! In eighteen to twenty one days both should hatch. If not then I will look to see if it is piping. Squabs will die in the egg or eggs will go black from Salmanilla. Be very carefull never to break open any egg that has failed to hatch in your loft, and wash your hands before you handle any birds or eggs!!!
Good luck!
Thom
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wannaroll
6 posts
Aug 18, 2009
4:15 PM
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Thanks for all the advice. Thanks Oldfart!
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roller alley
170 posts
Aug 18, 2009
10:53 PM
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if the second bird doesnt hatch i extracate the bird on the second day,no need for the worying of the weakling trying to catch up, it usualy wont make it since the first to hatch will be too stong and wont let the bird eat,sometimes the bird will be still too young to hatch when i take it out but it woudnt of survived any way
Last Edited by on Aug 18, 2009 11:20 PM
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wannaroll
8 posts
Aug 18, 2009
11:35 PM
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I just stuck the egg in a plastic bag and broke it open. The squab was fully developed but not alive, so candleling would not have caught this earlier. The egg had one big exit peck in it and the baby must have died trying to hatch out. Poor little guy. Anyways we'll see how long it takes to lay another egg.
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TheGame
604 posts
Aug 19, 2009
12:05 AM
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Wannaroll when you candle eggs that have a developing young inside you can see them move around. You can check from time to time to see if they are alive. But id say after 21 days or so if nothing hatches or comes out the eggs bad.
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Pumpkin Man
139 posts
Aug 19, 2009
11:44 AM
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Nobody else mentioned this so I will. It's not that big a deal if one egg doesn't hatch, but what is more of a big deal when one doesn't hatch is that the single baby is more prone to become spraddle legged without something next to him. Sometimes they stick their leg out to the side and as they grow it leads to a leg deformity where it just stays stuck out and you don't want this. I used to throw the dud egg away. Now I just leave the egg until the baby is big enough that I'm not concerned about it getting spraddle legged. Leaving the egg decreases your chances for this. Or you can move the baby into another nest of another single (of the same age) and that babies parents will feed them both.
Last Edited by on Aug 19, 2009 11:48 AM
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harrison
1212 posts
Aug 23, 2009
2:33 PM
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In the UK I have come across people that when they want to stop a pair laying eggs during breeding season just replace the real one with a plastic one
That you can buy in the local pigeon supply store.
I would see if you can get hold of any as that egg is going to turn rotten(already will be) and if it breaks you will no about it big time.
I had two this year go rotten and boy did they stink.
Just my view on things.
Good look harrison hull uk.
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