jammerlofts
127 posts
Aug 30, 2009
6:43 PM
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Marcus
Great stuff. i love reading. And there is a wealth of info here. I just printed it out and put a copy on my drive also. Thank you for sharing
JC
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rtwilliams
GOLD MEMBER
434 posts
Aug 30, 2009
8:05 PM
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That is a good read. Enjoyed the little bit of history. Thanks for the post
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RT Williams
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donnie james
680 posts
Aug 30, 2009
9:04 PM
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hay marcus very good information and thanks thanks for sharing with us ..............donny james
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DeepSpinLofts
1565 posts
Aug 31, 2009
4:54 PM
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You guys are all welcome.
Let us not forget that even though we call them Rollers... they actually belong to the Tumbler Pigeon family.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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Ty Coleman
688 posts
Aug 31, 2009
5:27 PM
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Marcus, I am tempted to challenge your last statement that they belong to the tumbler family. Some familys have been bred selectivly enough to be called rollers. If the statement said "they actually evolved from the tumbler pigeon family" then I would agree with it. I think that they have moved far enough away from the tumblers to be classified of there own family. Just my thoughts.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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DeepSpinLofts
1566 posts
Aug 31, 2009
5:49 PM
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Ty... all I know is that Rollers originated (were bred) from Tumblers centuries ago.
I have no objection with you classifying rollers as their own family... or do you specifically mean breed?
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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Ty Coleman
692 posts
Aug 31, 2009
5:58 PM
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I would lean more torwards a breed.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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ezeedad
1043 posts
Sep 01, 2009
8:26 AM
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Marcus,
Very interesting article.. Don't you know who wrote it, and when?
The twizzle was mentioned again and again... That type of performance was a respected part of the roller skills at that time.
Also interesting is how kit competition was begun using tumblers and had no considerations for quality speed and depth...
Paul G
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gotspin7
2509 posts
Sep 01, 2009
10:47 AM
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Marcus, good read...
Paul, I will disagree with your last statement. I do not think that quality judges are judging tumblers. I fly competition and I breed for spin and style first and foremost and a long with that comes depth (if they do not spin right WHO cares how deep they are). I have a few other questions for you that I would like to take private with you... sortiz@arvest.com
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Sal Ortiz
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ezeedad
1044 posts
Sep 01, 2009
12:49 PM
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Sal,
I didn't say anything about today's judging of rollers. This article mentioned how kit competition started. That was about 90 years ago. The rules have been modified in an attempt to make them better suited to rollers, and the judges are responsible for scoring quality roll.
I find that the vast majority of rollermen breed for speed, but far less breed for style, and many breed for depth because it is an awesome thing to see.
But it looks like there is a general consensus about what it right, nowadays, which is different than it was in the past. Twizzle... the real type.. not the plate roll.. was once highly respected, but today it is misunderstood and has become practically extinct.
But also if they DO spin right, many people do care how deep they go.
Paul G
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gotspin7
2512 posts
Sep 01, 2009
5:18 PM
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Paul,
If they roll right, they will look good with depth. lol
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Sal Ortiz
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DeepSpinLofts
1567 posts
Sep 02, 2009
5:33 PM
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Let us not forget that is was those original imports & the selective breeding of Birmingham Roller pigeons by Englishman William Hyla Pensom that got many of us where we are today.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
Last Edited by on Sep 02, 2009 5:34 PM
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