Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1402 posts
Sep 02, 2009
4:17 PM
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Hey All,
I am as guilty as anyone. My first reaction when someone posts pictures of a new kit box or loft is “Good Job!” Hard work can be acknowledged but obvious mistakes can be harmful. Pointing out that one cat can cause harm is not hurting feelings but saves a newbie’s birds. It’s everyone’s job to monitor and advise or stop claiming to be family. Useful advice is not criticism it is nurturing and we are after all, family.
Thom
Last Edited by on Sep 02, 2009 4:17 PM
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steve49
217 posts
Sep 02, 2009
4:20 PM
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touche! did someone piss in your cornflakes, tom?
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1403 posts
Sep 02, 2009
5:00 PM
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Hey Steve, What? This post was designed to help, not hurt. If all you can contribute is comments like that, Then just leave my posts alone!
Thom
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3353 posts
Sep 02, 2009
5:14 PM
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I hear you Tom ,we are family and thats how we help each other out here by pointing things out .A tip here a tip there may not only help that person out but the other ones that are reading too.
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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gentle johnnie
78 posts
Sep 02, 2009
5:50 PM
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Thom thanks I know that its my mistake that the birds got eaten, I was just try to let others know not to leave trap open, and it would do no good to be mad at Daughter over what happened. Guess I should have not have went on vacation. MY BAD!!! Thanks again Thom GOD BLESS
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Gentle Johnnie "Angels of the Sky Loft"
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1404 posts
Sep 02, 2009
6:09 PM
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Johnnie, You made my point. It is up to those that know and can see potential dangers to just not say "Good Job!" I had absolutely no intention of singling you out. I only said cat and trap, it could have been mouse and wire or paint or not.....or? My point with the post was not to harm but to draw attention that if mistakes are not mentioned it is the novice that will pay the price. If anyone had spoken up and advised you about the possibility of a cat getting through your traps, you would have changed them. Everyone is so caught up in encouraging each other few will point out the obvious, if you know, not so obvious if you don't. I have nothing but respect for the way you handled it with your daughter. It was not her fault and she was doing the best she knew to help, it also was not your fault, just bad luck! If one bird can be saved or if one mistake is corrected before the harm, was and, is my point.
Thom
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3355 posts
Sep 02, 2009
6:33 PM
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Good Job Thom, oops.... did I say that ..:)
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Ralph.
Life comes down to the choices you make, and then living with the results.
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steve49
218 posts
Sep 02, 2009
7:18 PM
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Thom, i'm sorry, i was only saying that tongue in cheek. i'm in complete aggreement about the usual, 'your loft looks great' response, when it has obvious faults. i am not sure exactly what happened to encourage your original remarks, but it seemed like someone had given you a hard time for your honesty, and it was that honesty that i was referring to.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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gentle johnnie
82 posts
Sep 02, 2009
7:20 PM
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thanks again Thom like the PVC trap plain to change them soon GOD BLESS!!!
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Gentle Johnnie "Angels of the Sky Loft"
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1405 posts
Sep 03, 2009
6:12 AM
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Hey All, I want the list to know that Steve's comment and my reaction to it was a total misunderstanding. Steve and I have talked through email and I now understand what he said was with concern that I was being given a hard time by someone on the list. Which was not the case, but he thought it possible.
I think of Steve as a gentleman and a friend. I look forward to our future correspondence, both on this site and through email.
Johnnie, I use the P.V.C. drop trap and they are safer in my mind but I still have a fold up landing board that secures the trap. It's through misfortune that we learn and sharing our experiences may prevent the same thing from happening to others.
Thanks,
Thom
Last Edited by on Sep 03, 2009 11:51 AM
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donnie james
687 posts
Sep 03, 2009
1:01 PM
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hay thom i see your point but the guy/girl that buil's the fly pen should ask questions how to and how many birds it should hold over stocking and ect.and i feel like that they should go around and see other people fly pen to get a better idea on how to built it..........donny james
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1415 posts
Sep 03, 2009
1:21 PM
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Donny, I agree but unfortunately our hobby is spread far and wide. Some just do not have any other people near by and are dependent on this site for all of their input. So asking questions and making mistakes are their norm. The one true thing I know is if that you saw something wrong, you would try to help. That is all any of us can do. :)
Take care my friend.
Thom
Last Edited by on Sep 03, 2009 1:22 PM
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wannaroll
33 posts
Sep 03, 2009
3:03 PM
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Hey Thom, I for one really appreciate honesty in posts on this site. If there was an obvious problem with my small loft design I would surely welcome any and all criticism. There is no such thing as a perfect
loft. I just use all the ideas that I like and incorporate them into my design. I picked up a black and white hen and another black cock from Fred Jenkins today.
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Dave - Hesperia, CA.
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1416 posts
Sep 03, 2009
3:48 PM
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Hey Dave, It is hard to be helpful with out being hurtful. I have a very thin skin, I appreciate constructive "APRECIATION" but adhere criticism. There is so much to learn or in my case unlearn. My preconceived notions of how come and why for hold me back. I wish to be informed without being lectured. So.... I'm off the soap box. :)
Thanks
Thom
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wannaroll
34 posts
Sep 03, 2009
5:01 PM
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Hey Thom, I just picked up a new pair of birds.
Give it to me straight. Just kidding! Lie...
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Dave - Hesperia, CA.
Last Edited by on Sep 03, 2009 5:06 PM
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1417 posts
Sep 03, 2009
5:23 PM
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Dave, Truth, I like pigeons so anything I say will be prejudice, also truth, they are rollers and it's all about, the spin. If I want something pretty, I would ask my bride to sit in the loft. :) On another note, is that plastic wrap? Press-N-Seal will work better. Rub it into the bowl first, it's tough so it won't tear. :)
Thom
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wannaroll
35 posts
Sep 03, 2009
5:27 PM
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I got the idea from you. I just had it in the cage that way to keep the desert dust out of it. But I will look for press-N-Seal at the store. Have you ever used epsom salt in your water? Fred Jenkins says he puts 1 table spoon of bleach in all the water he gives his birds. I never heard of that one.
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Dave - Hesperia, CA.
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Oldfart
GOLD MEMBER
1419 posts
Sep 03, 2009
6:22 PM
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Dave, I always use Epsom salts in their bath, it helps brighten white feathers and more importantly rid them of pests. I have heard of using bleach but do not give it to my birds. I prefer to use it to sterilize the water founts and any feed trays. The cost of press-n-seal far outweighs the cost of a nest bowl. I use it to prevent the bowl from becoming wet. After I band, I change the nest bowl out ever other day. Some will disagree but I don't like my birds living in their own poo, so I scrap and clean every day. The birds are so used to me cleaning they hardly pay any attention. I can lift a hen off of her eggs and she just gives me a dirty look and then settles back rubbing against my hand. :)
Thom
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